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Ask me no more questions and tell me no more lies [Mar. 12th, 2005|08:02 pm]
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If Hooters were to become a door-to-door service would they have to change
their name to Knockers?
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2005-03-12 10:34 pm (UTC)
I'm not denying they have good food.. I just think it's the same mind set as stripping...
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[User Picture]From: afropunk629
2005-03-13 08:09 am (UTC)
So modelling is also the same thing as stripping? As is acting? It often has the same "mindset" behind it. Typically, you have very attractive women doing both, and men enjoy it when they've got some eye-candy.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2005-03-13 08:17 am (UTC)
I think that the kind of modelling that portrays womens as objects is the same as stripping, yes. Same as the "acting" that one might call "Baywatch".
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[User Picture]From: popsimon
2005-03-13 09:20 am (UTC)
trust me, men are just as much objectified nowadays - just look at the internet!
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2005-03-13 03:23 pm (UTC)
... You think men are objectified on the internet to the same extent as women are?
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[User Picture]From: popsimon
2005-03-13 03:40 pm (UTC)
i think they definately are in the same way by other men, women dont seem to objectify things in the same manner.

i conceed that its possible that women occur in greater volume on the net for obvious reasons
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2005-03-13 04:25 pm (UTC)
I don't think as many women participate as men..
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[User Picture]From: popsimon
2005-03-13 04:31 pm (UTC)
I think there are significantly more women than men who work in porn, as there are more men demanding female porn than gay men and straight women demanding male porn.

However, i think a number of people choose to be involved and whilst it may be demeaning for men and those women who rather not do it, i think for others it may even be liberating rather than demeaning.

basically, i dont think everone involved in porn or something like hooters finds it demeaning
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2005-03-13 04:57 pm (UTC)
Agreed, but I think it is detrimental to our youth, who see that and think that's how they're "supposed" to be.
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[User Picture]From: afropunk629
2005-03-14 11:40 am (UTC)

Me = ranting

Y'know, I think the biggest reason why American society promotes this objectification of women, or at least the obsession with sex, is because of the taboo that is placed on the act of sex and sexuality in general.

In European nations in particular, where there is a much more open and healthy culture surrounding sexuality (seeing it as something beautiful as opposed to something dirty), the sheer volume of pornography and such materials is much, much smaller. For example, even though the Netherlands are famous for legalized prostitution in the Red Light District in Amsterdam, the only porn on sale anywhere, where it was being bought, at least, was in the airport, and the only people buying it were tourists. The general culture doesn't do anything to say that sex is wrong or that sex is something that has to be pursued actively. Sex is seen as a beautiful thing, but one that ought to stay special, which is why they argue that people should not just sleep around with everyone. But having sex more than just after marriage is even encouraged. My own mother (a Polish immigrant) has said that she wants me to "know" my future fiancee (this is a potential fiancee, I'm still in high school) before we get married, stating that if we're going to be compatible in marriage, we have to know that ahead of time. This is a very normal mindset for a European, which is conducive to a healthy view of sex.

"The forbidden fruit must be tasted"
-Jacobim Mugatu (played by Will Ferrell) in "Zoolander"
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2005-03-14 01:03 pm (UTC)

Re: Me = ranting

I agree with that completely!! Some people just aren't good for each other in bed, and if you're married to that person and you don't find that out until the wedding night.. well that's a bad experience for all involved, and nearly impossible to make a marriage work. I also have a lot of dear friends from Europe and lived with a homestay family in Denmark and their views towards sexuality and beauty were so much more realistic, it was refreshing. Also, in Denmark, they have very few rapes, and even less child abductions and sex scandals involving children. It just isn't something that people there feel the need to do, because there isn't all of the poor stereotypes surrounding them on a daily basis.
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[User Picture]From: richter_belmont
2005-03-14 01:44 pm (UTC)

Marriage

Hm. My feelings are somewhat mixed on the taboo issue... nonetheless, I find it disappointing that so many people put such a profound value on sex. Sure, it's part of a healthy relationship, but it shouldn't be any more important than any other aspect of the relationship.

For example, if you have someone who has a good heart, nice looks, a great personality, and really loves you, but you don't have fabulous sex on the wedding night, big deal. 4 out of 5 is still rather awesome.

Some things can't easily be changed, but I would disagree that sexual differences are virtually insurmountable. Intimate relations can certainly be improved, if the couple is willing to communicate and be considerate of the other's needs.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2005-03-14 01:47 pm (UTC)

Re: Marriage

Agreed that they can be improved, but I think that some people are completely incompatible in the bedroom... fundamentally so, and that can be a real issue. Sex in a realtionship, especially a marriage can create a LOT of animosity should there be a lot of differences and that will often lead to affairs, which I will never understand how anyone is able to stay married after one. If you can't be faithful to your husband/wife you shouldn't have gotten married is my feeling.
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[User Picture]From: richter_belmont
2005-03-14 02:00 pm (UTC)

Fidelity

Right... fidelity is vital. That's why it comes down to the core issue- if people are so different sexually, there are almost certainly underlying ideological differences. Which, to me, would seem to indicate they didn't get to know their spouse well enough before getting married.

Exactly- they shouldn't get married if they can't be faithful. That's a major part of the problem today, IMO... people don't take marriage seriously. It should be regarded as a lifelong commitment, and a lot of people jump in too quickly.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2005-03-14 02:24 pm (UTC)

Re: Fidelity

Agreed... and homosexuals who have been in life long relationships and are completely committed to each other aren't allowed to legally marry. Seems a little ridiculous to me.
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