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Sex & War.. ahh the constants. [Aug. 13th, 2008|04:43 pm]
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Opinion time! I'm asking for yours!

Have you been following what's going on with Georgia and Russia?

What are your opinions?


There's some information if you're in the dark, or pop on CNN. I've been following it pretty closely the last few days.. and I really REALLY think this could get bad. And fast. And I think this could be a lot more scary then the Iraqi/Afghanistan conflict, and we all kow how many people have died from that conflict.

And I'm especially interested in my Russian and international journallers views as well about this. So please, I welcome your comments and want to know your opinions.

And unrelated...


Have some turtle sex.

[User Picture]From: koupob
2008-08-14 02:10 pm (UTC)
I had a good reply ready to write about Russia making a Soviet-style land grab, and then I read some of the comments and realized something that bothers me quite a bit. Despite following the conflict in the American news, I'd never even HEARD of Ostesia. In fact, I realized that I had never even heard the American media explain why Russia got into this in the first place.

Sad, no?

So I went and read some international news sources, and e-mailed my Russian aunt who just came back to the states after 3 months over there. Maybe she can shed some light on the Russian side of the story.

It's kind of a frustrating situation, honestly, because Georgia is an ally, but we really don't have the resources to help them out (a la pointless war in Iraq). This has the makings of being very WWI-esque if other countries get involved (minus the trenches). The world is basically split along two lines--pro-Western democracy and people who don't like the west, and if one or two countries get involved...


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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-08-14 05:54 pm (UTC)
Exactly!!! The US news sources didn't bring it up at all!! They barely even elude to it. So that was news to me as well.

I would love to hear what your Aunt has to say, too.

And that's what I'm worried about. I think it could get very bad, pretty fast.
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[User Picture]From: koupob
2008-08-14 09:00 pm (UTC)
So I just got off the phone with my Russian Aunt. Here's what she told me:

Russia is responding to the bombing of a city(cities??) in a region called Southern Ossetia. Ossetia is an area claimed granted autonomy by Russia but claimed by Georgia. Georgia and Ossetia had been involved in previous scuffles arising from this struggle for independence, while Russia has just kind of sat it out until now, but most recently Georgia bombed a major city, decimating the entire area and rendering it unlivable.

Russia is upset because Georgia strayed from targeting only military targets (as is required by international rules of war) to targeting civilian areas, including several culturally and historically important buildings. Russia considers Ossetia "under its wing" even though Ossetia doesn't want to be, and took the bombing personally. In order to restore order, they sent peacekeeping troops to the region to stop the usual rioting/violent crime that occurs after any disaster in a populated area, and also shelled the strategic city of Gori while simultaneously sending troops INTO Georgia to retaliate for the original bombing. Russia claims that this is no different than how we responded after September 11, and insists that we butt out.

Other things I found out after researching:

Sarkozy got them to compromise, but Russia found a loophole in the agreement and sent troops to within 40 km of a major city in Georgia. Georgia insists that this violates the agreement and Russia needs to get the f*** out. Russia says it is for security reasons in order to prevent any future attacks and refuses to move. Oh yeah, and they officially flipped the bird (metaphorically speaking, of course) to Bush today his finger-wagging comments yesterday.

Bush's administration is all in a huff and doing the 5-year-old "well, fine, I won't invite you to my birthday party!" act. Secretary Gates has explicity ruled out the use of military force in Georgia (thank goodness!) but also said that somehow Russia's fight with Georgia has damaged our relationship with them (not seeing the logic here, but...who knows) and alluded to the possibility of a Neo-Cold War.

In an interesting twist, in the midst of all this fighting, Russia claims to be fully in support of Ossetia's claims for independence, and vows to "guarantee them" full accordance with the UN Charter, the international conventions of 1966, and the Helsinki act. (We will support any decisions taken by the peoples of South Ossetia and Abkhazia in accordance with the UN Charter," he said, adding that "not only do we support but we will guarantee them." - Medvedev)

Meanwhile, we've already sent troops into the region on strictly humanitarian missions.

Why did we have to get involved???? My aunt tells me that things have de-escalated since the original attack last week, but with us sticking our noses in it, I think we're making the situation worse.

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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-08-14 09:06 pm (UTC)
Thank you SO much for talking to your Aunt. This is the information I was looking for.

And it's way more terrifying then I had anticipated. Shit shit shit. We're all so screwed. :.( More soon, gotta digest this all.
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