I think it is very bad. I study war crimes and when this happened I made the comment - wow looks like I will never be unemployed. What is going on is simply awful.
Agreed entirely. I think it may be a gateway to another world war truth be told. I feel that way uch more then I did bout the Middle east situation.
Even though I avoid news channels as much as I can, I've read a bit about it, and it's scary.
Isn't it? What do you think's going to happen? As much as I don't love Bush it was very ballsy and nasty of Putin to sit side by side with him at the Olympic opening games as his country is invading a sovereign nation.
The most interesting thing is that it shows just how weak the United States is now thanks to our invasion of Iraq. We can't do a damned thing about it. Nothing. We have no power or influence at all. This brings that fact home.
Also, I find Bush's words amusing. He's talking about invading a soveriegn country. Funny - exactly what he did with Iraq. What a fucking hypocrite.
We've lost so much respect around the world and now everyone gets a full understanding of just how pathetic and weak we are. We can't do a damned thing. Russia can do whatever it wants and we're powerless to stop them.
Agreed, it's very hypocritical. Definitely weakens any stance we take against it, to be sure.
I do worry about how many troops we have in the Middle East if Russia were to partner with any countries with the technology and inspiration to move against the United States, and any allies of the U.S. This could spiral further out of control VERY fast. I'm really, really worried.
i think the russians are being given too much criticsm at the end of the day. south ostesia has had defacto independance since 1993. its not even historically a part of georgia, it was given to them by stalin.
georgia broke the ceasefire by attacking and pushing towards the capital. we cant say things like kosovo deserves independance but ostesia does not.
i am always suspicious of russian military action but this is not a simple case of russia invading sovereign georgia, no one in the american media seems to be talking about the south ostesians right to self determination
Okay, but what about the bombings on civilians? Your talking about what Russia was calling n attack on peacekeepers that led to them bombing civilians, right? I just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing.
It's ugly, it shouldn't be an issue, and instead it's going to end in a nasty, brutal war. This initial "invasion" is just the tip of what will probably be a long-running guerrilla war.
And to be worldly-insensitive: it is NOT our problem. We need to A) Quit antagonizing Russia, because we no longer are able to back up the antagonism, B) Quit giving training and military supplies to countries who border our enemies and promise to be our friends and C) Start setting an example of liberty and individualism by achieving it here at home first.
Freedom is never free. It's a constant struggle, it involves real hardships, and even once a person or a group is liberated, they face the continual work of maintaining that freedom. You cannot be apathetic and expect freedom, and you cannot expect handouts from someone else and expect freedom. The apathetic are conquered and don't care; the reliant become serfs to their benefactors.
For all of our songs and mottos and flags and bald eagles soaring over mountaintops, we are not as free as we could be in this country; that is why the ruthless of this world are able to lecture US on democracy:
"The principle of appointing regional leaders is not a sign of a lack of democracy. For instance, India is called the largest world democracy. But their governors have always been appointed by the central government and nobody disputes that India is a democracy. In the United States, you first elect the electors and then they vote for the presidential candidates. In Russia, the president is elected through the direct vote of the whole population. That might be even more democratic. And you have other problems in your elections. Four years ago your presidential election was decided by the court. The judicial system was brought into it. But we're not going to poke our noses into your democratic system because that's up to the American people." - Vladimir Putin
When we are able to stand up as a free, unified people with a successful, peaceful nation, THEN we can lecture countries like Russia and Georgia on what they should or should not be doing to ensure peace and liberty.
I couldn't have said that better myself. Agreed 1000%.
I think inevitably this will result in international issues and a war, involving a number of countries. And I dread it. People don't see reason too easily.
end of the world.
I call the end of the world at the drop of a hat these days, though.
mostly so that if it happens, I can say "i called it."
lol, here's hoping you're very wrong then, love.
dirty, dirty turtles.
Gotta love the moan. LOL
I know, right? LOL. SO WEIRD!
I've been waiting for Putin to make a move, I do belive his hands are all over this, not just the new president over there.
Agreed. *nod * I don't trust Putin at all.
2008-08-14 06:08 am (UTC)
Thank god we didn't let them into NATO, otherwise it would be WWIII time. Being involved in a proxy war with Russia is bad enough. We'll provide material support, and this crap will continue, but in the end the Russians will get whay they want. We simply don't have any leverage here, especially after Iraq. Best case, the settle up and Georgia takes one in the ass. Worst case, WWIII, and I'm not kidding. The Russians are feeling their oats on this one, and we get invovlved at our own peril.
Meanwhile, thousands die or have their lives destroyed because of idiotic geopolitics. Its not worth it, and we've got to find a way to stop this shit. Ideaology means nothing compared to a human life. When the hell are we going to learn that?
That was me...forgot to sign in again. D'oh!
2008-08-14 12:14 pm (UTC)
The Russians plan ahead.
Oh my God. That's horrific. I'd heard of this massacre, but in the books I had read about it in, it definitely inferred the Nazi's were behind it.
I had a good reply ready to write about Russia making a Soviet-style land grab, and then I read some of the comments and realized something that bothers me quite a bit. Despite following the conflict in the American news, I'd never even HEARD of Ostesia. In fact, I realized that I had never even heard the American media explain why Russia got into this in the first place.
So I went and read some international news sources, and e-mailed my Russian aunt who just came back to the states after 3 months over there. Maybe she can shed some light on the Russian side of the story.
It's kind of a frustrating situation, honestly, because Georgia is an ally, but we really don't have the resources to help them out (a la pointless war in Iraq). This has the makings of being very WWI-esque if other countries get involved (minus the trenches). The world is basically split along two lines--pro-Western democracy and people who don't like the west, and if one or two countries get involved...
Exactly!!! The US news sources didn't bring it up at all!! They barely even elude to it. So that was news to me as well.
I would love to hear what your Aunt has to say, too.
And that's what I'm worried about. I think it could get very bad, pretty fast.
just one more point. bush realises that russia has invaded georgia, the country, right?
We are apparently living in a glass house. Russia alleges that Georgia destroyed 10 villages,reasons for why not stated. They are basically saying that they are stepping into stop the country from committing anymore atrocities towards it's people.
Hmmm forgive me if I am wrong but isn't that what we do all the time? Yet rather than investigate we just assume the worst of Russia's intentions? So what we can police the world but no one else can?
I don't know if the allegations are true but that is what should be looked into before any other actions are taken.
I think the allegations should definitely be looked into -- but wouldn't that be suicidal for a country like Georgia? I mean just look at the size of it, and the limited means that it has compared to Russia.. It doesn't make since that Georgia would do anything that stupid.
-- And yeah, hypocritical to be sure. But all the same, I think this could be the gate to the next world war and I'm scared.
That video was really long just to show turtles having sex.
LOL. It really was. It was so uncomfortable, yet I couldn't turn away.