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Harry Potter and John Lennon.. tonight... ;) [Jul. 31st, 2007|10:51 am]
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All right!

At this point, most of you who are going to read the Harry Potter book have all ready done so.

I know there's been a lot of conversations about it on LJ all ready, but I thought it'd be cool to get a little discussion going with all of you about it.

Therefore... Any thoughts on the book? On the series in general? Things you loved? Things you hated?

Where do you think any characters that survived are now?

Open forum. :) As always. I'll reply to ya'll, if I can. ( Home sick anyway, and waiting for a Doc's appt. What else am I gonna do? ;) And I encourage you to respond to each other, because I love when we get dialogues going here. It rocks. :)

Also... What Hogwarts House would you be in? I think I'm probably a Ravenclaw.


John Lennon doing Voulez Vous Couchez Avec Moi, Totally awesome! Really short, but rockin'.

And Yes, Virginia, There will be spoilers in the comments... ;)

ETA~ !! I can't believe I forgot to put this originally! I am the lame!

Any links you have to your fanfiction, fanart, etc... feel free to share here. I know we got lots of talented folks 'round these parts. :)

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[User Picture]From: dolphin_on_rye
2007-07-31 04:01 pm (UTC)
I really did like the epilogue, too
it was cheesy, but come on
we've grown up with harry! we needed some ultra cheesy closure!
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[User Picture]From: dolphin_on_rye
2007-07-31 04:03 pm (UTC)
i always felt snape was good, too! =)
or at least her most interesting character
though i never would have guessed at the lily thing, myself
were there any hints at it in the previous 6 books?
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From: garuparu90
2007-07-31 04:09 pm (UTC)
Snape has definitely been my favorite character throughout the series, and it was nice to have that rewarded in the end. I did not like the epilogue though - I wish I hadn't read it. I understand why it was there though, or at least my take on it is that Rowling didn't have to choose between a good ending versus a bad ending by having both. People died, but then there was also the "and they lived happily ever after" for the people who wanted to read that. Regardless of the positives and negatives in the stories themselves, I have a lot of respect for what Rowling has done, in terms of business and success. :)
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-07-31 04:13 pm (UTC)
I really respect her too. What an amazing enterprise, and she's done so much to get kids reading again. There was such a dry area there for kids, I think. And now they had something to read, and while waiting for the next one to come out, etc, they would read different things. I think that's great. :)

And yeah, good & bad.

*sniff* I can't believe she seperated the twins. It was one of my big predictions, but the one I was hoping would be incorrect more then any of the others. lol.

And when Harry went to face Voldie with his parents, and Sirius and Remus?

Oh my God.

The sobs.

I had to close the book,

My kid came to check on me. LOL.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-07-31 04:17 pm (UTC)

Post Harry Potter!


In which JK states that: Harry Potter becomes an Auror, or someone who fights dark wizards, his best friend Ron Weasley joins his brother at their joke shop Weasley's Wizard Wheezes, and Hermione Granger furthers the rights of subjugated creatures, such as house-elves, in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures before joining the magical law enforcement squad.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-07-31 04:26 pm (UTC)

Ahh, some more straight from JK

In the novel -- which centers on Harry's journey to kill Lord Voldemort, the most powerful dark wizard of all time -- the young wizard learns of three powerful magical objects called the Deathly Hallows that, when combined, will make their owner the Master of Death, meaning he or she accepts mortality without fear.

• Fans turning the pages of final 'Potter'
Rowling said in the online chat the hallows were in part inspired by "The Pardoner's Tale," one of Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales" about greed and death.

Rowling shared with fans, many of whom said they'd read the final book several times in the last week, where she imagines their favorite characters went after the series' conclusion.

SPOILER ALERT: Those who do not wish to know what happens to the characters after the book ends should stop reading here.

Rowling said the world was a sunnier, happier place after the seventh book and the death of Voldemort.

Harry Potter, who always voiced a desire to become an Auror, or someone who fights dark wizards, was named head of the Auror Department under the new wizarding government headed by his friend and ally, Kingsley Shacklebolt.
His wife, Ginny Weasley, stuck with her athletic career, playing for the Holyhead Harpies, the all-female Quidditch team. Eventually, Ginny left the team to raise their three children -- James, Albus and Lily -- while writing as the senior Quidditch correspondent for the wizarding newspaper, the Daily Prophet.

Harry's best friend Ron Weasley joined his brother, George, as a partner at their successful joke shop, Weasley's Wizard Wheezes. Hermione Granger, Ron's wife and the third person of the series' dark wizard fighting trio, furthered the rights of subjugated creatures, such as house elves, in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures before joining the magical law enforcement squad. The couple had two children -- Rose and Hugo.

Luna Lovegood, Harry's airily distracted friend with a love for imaginary animals who joins the fight against Voldemort in the Order of the Phoenix, becomes a famous wizarding naturalist who eventually marries the grandson of Newt Scamander, author of "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them."
And what Muggle, or non-wizard, song would have been played at the funeral of Albus Dumbledore, the most brilliant and talented wizard the world had ever known?

"Surely 'I Did It My Way' by Frank Sinatra," Rowling told her fans, referring to the song "My Way," written by Paul Anka but popularized by Sinatra, among other singers.

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[User Picture]From: marguerlucy
2007-07-31 04:33 pm (UTC)

Re: Ahh, some more straight from JK

re: "My Way"


LOL don't get me wrong - great song - I totally cannot picture that. I would think Dumbledore would have picked something that is meaningful yet goofy at the same time.

Oh well.
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[User Picture]From: marguerlucy
2007-07-31 04:48 pm (UTC)

HP on my lunch hour

a.) I would have been in hufflepuff... because i'm loyal. or because i'm NOT brave, intellectual or a bastard. I used to be ashamed of this, but then I remembered that we had the hottest guy at Hogwarts, who WAS smart and brave. so we kick ass, basically.

b.) here are potentially 8 thousand thoughts:

1.) I am one of the "lame epilogue"ers. It wasn't necessarily the mystery left or how things ended up for people. I just thought it was a lame format. I'm a big fan of like, a simply stated epilogue - more in the style of what she posted to readers after the fact. "What are they doing now" sort of thing. I dont want to hear kids drabbling. If I want to hear that, I'll reread book 1, thanks.

2.) SCORPIO MALFOY???? REALLY????? I suppose Draco, Narcissa, and Lucius are on the same vein. But Scorpio? Really??

3.) I thought Draco's turn of events was interesting. I wasn't buying Dudley's though. Percy's I enjoyed, particularly as it resulted in such bittersweet endings.


5.) Fred and Lupin and Snape... if McGonagall had kicked it, I would have been severely severely depressed. My favorites, all of them. As it was... all of the deaths were spoiled to me on ljsecret by a spammer. so they didn't quite have the effect garnered, though I thoroughly enjoyed the journey.

6.) I'm truly shocked that more Weasleys didn't bite it. The odds just weren't on their side LOL

7.) Actually I'm shocked there weren't a couple more semi-major deaths. Again, it just seems more realistic to me that more impt. people would have kicked it.

8.)The whole Lupin/Tonks thing... why wasn't Lupin gay? lol. I hope the movies just let us think that for the rest of the time. It doesn't seem like Tonks is going to play a big role in them anyway.

9.)I love Snape's stuff. I do wish his chapter hadn't been SO much of a hunk of expositional stuff. I could have done without some of the kids stuff. I guess it shows his connection to her in the beginning, but its a weird concept for me that someone could fall for someone when they're 10. I could have done with a more defining event for them that made him fall. also - I hope his death in the movie is not edited. I mean, they dont have to make it throw up worthy. But i hope they keep the snake, keep the last words, keep the general horror and shock of it, it says so much for Snape and for Voldemort's utter evilness.

10.) JAMES POTTER... is such a douchebag. Truly, to me, he was never really redeemed. I mean he was obviously good with his family. But I wouldn't have felt any resolve on that issue if I was Harry. But if he can forgive Snape after a certain amount of time, I suppose he can forgive his father's doucheness. I wish also though, we could have seen what it was that made Lily change her mind. Cause as far as I'm concerned, she could have done better LOL.

11.) In some ways, I wish that Neville had played an even BIGGER role... i mean... his part was huge and vital and i LOVE that. I wondered though if they would have played up more that it "could have been him" - but maybe she considered him nailing Nagini the next best thing to nailing the dark lord.

12.) I can't decide of Luna's dad is creepy, commendable, sympathetic or just misguided.

13.) some people think she made Voldemort too "truly evil" and didnt' give him a human side. Thoughts?

ok i'm done. FOR NOW.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-07-31 05:31 pm (UTC)

Re: HP on my lunch hour

A. Cedric Diggory for the freaking win! *makes sweet love to him all night long. Premortem of coure. *

1. EXACTLY. Thank you.

2. LOL. I snorted with laughter when I read it.

3. I actually loved all three of their changes. Percy broke my heart a little.

4. SERIOUSLY! She's so damn awesome. Though I agree with the general concencus that Bellatrix shoulda gotten axed by Neville. That bitch.

I love her.. but she's such a fucking bitch. She's fun to roleplay.. but Lord. She killed my Sirius! *keels her dead*

5. I'm SO glad I didn't get spoiled for it. I cried oodles though,

6. JK said that she reprieved Mr. Weasely, that he was gonna be a gonner, but she decided to let him live.

SHIT! I'm gonna be late for my Dr's appt.

I will pick up here when I'm home. :)

Much Harry Potter love always!

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[User Picture]From: xenaamazon
2007-07-31 04:50 pm (UTC)


Harry isn't dead?
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-07-31 07:39 pm (UTC)

Re: So.....


For the lose! You need to read the books!! :P
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[User Picture]From: mystik00769
2007-07-31 05:00 pm (UTC)
I despised the epilogue. The writing style was too simplistic compared to the rest of the books. Plus, I was left with a (??) after having read it. Where's the rest of the Weasley family? Where's Luna? Where are the other important characters that played such a huge role? I've read/watched the interviews, but that's not the same as having read it during my Harry-a-thon.

I also didn't like the bad side of Dumbledore. I always saw him as a granddfather-figure to Harry, and LIKED that he was soxh a good, wholesome fellow that really wanted the best. Don't tarnish that for me! GAH!!!

I still love Snape. He just liked that Lily bitch because I wasn't there. In his mind, it was all about me. He just didn't tell anyone. :P
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[User Picture]From: marguerlucy
2007-07-31 05:15 pm (UTC)
i agree about the Dumbledore stuff. I felt just as betrayed as Harry did. I wonder if they'll cut all that for the movie to trim time. I'd be cool with that.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-07-31 05:07 pm (UTC)

Online Chat Transcript with JK. Lots of answers here!

J.K. Rowling: I'm here and I can't wait! Bring on the questions!
Leaky Cauldron: What, if anything, did the wizarding world learn, and how did society change, as a direct result of the war with voldemort? (i.E., not as a result of harry, ron and hermione's future careers.)
J.K. Rowling: The Ministry of Magic was de-corrupted, and with Kingsley at the helm the discrimination that was always latent there was eradicated.
J.K. Rowling: Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny et al would of course play a significant part in the re-building of wizarding society through their future careers.
Ryan Love: From your fans at thesnitch.Co.Uk. Weren't we supposed to see ginny display powerful magical abilities in “deathly hallows” and find out why it's significant that she's the seventh child? Was her main role in the books only to be harry's love interest?
J.K. Rowling: Hi Ryan! Well, I think Ginny demonstrated powerful magic in the final battle, and that for a sixteen year old witch she acquitted herself pretty well. I don't remember ever saying that her 'seventh child' status would prove particularly
J.K. Rowling: important in the last book, though - are you sure I said that?!
Georgina: Did lucius malfoy, and all the other escaped death eaters, go back to azkaban
J.K. Rowling: No, the Malfoys weaseled their way out of trouble (again) due to the fact that they colluded (albeit out of self-interest) with Harry at the end of the battle.
Elisabeth: In the chapter of kings cross, are they behind the veil or in some world between the real world and the veil?
J.K. Rowling: You can make up your own mind on this, but I think that Harry entered a kind of limbo between life and death.
Renee: From reading about the original owners of the deathly hallows, the peverell brothers, i'm wondering if harry and voldermort are distantly related voldermorts grandfather ended up with the resurrection stone ring ?
J.K. Rowling: Yes, Harry and Voldemort are distantly related through the Peverells.
J.K. Rowling: Of course, nearly all wizarding families are related if you trace them back through the centuries. As was made clear in 'Deathly hallows', Peverell blood would run through many wizarding families.
Fomy: What did you feel when you finally wrote the kiss, awaited so much by the fans, of ron and hermione
J.K. Rowling: I loved writing it, and I loved the fact that Hermione took the initiative!
J.K. Rowling: Ron had finally got SPEW and earned himself a snog!
Angela Morrissey: Why is it that albus dumbledore can see harry under his invisibility cloak at certain moments? (during the series is the cloak only infallible to those who do not own a deathly hallow).
J.K. Rowling: Dumbledore, who could perform magic without needing to say the incantation aloud, was using 'homenum revelio' -
J.K. Rowling: - the human-presence-revealing spell Hermione makes use of in Deathly Hallows.
Jamie Lewis: What ever happened to winky
J.K. Rowling: She's still at Hogwarts, and she was one of the oncoming house-elves who attacked the Death Eaters in the final battle.
Katieleigh: Does hermione still continue to do work with spew and is life any better for house elves!
J.K. Rowling: Hermione began her post-Hogwarts career at the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures
J.K. Rowling: where she was instrumental in greatly improving life for house-elves and their ilk. She then moved (despite her jibe to Scrimgeour) to the Dept. of Magical Law Enforcement
J.K. Rowling: After a few years as a celebrated player for the Holyhead Harpies, Ginny retired to have her family and to become the Senior Quidditch correspondent at the Daily Prophet!
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-07-31 05:11 pm (UTC)


Camille: What or who is peeves exactly, is he linked with the blood barons story?
J.K. Rowling: No, Peeves is not linked to the bloody Baron's story.
J.K. Rowling: He is a spirit of chaos that entered the building long ago and has proved impossible to eradicate!
Jessie : Were the deathly hallows based on any realworld myth or faerie tale
J.K. Rowling: Perhaps 'the Pardoner's Tale', by Chaucer.
Alicepie : What happend to luna, did she get married who to?
J.K. Rowling: Luna became a very famous wizarding naturalist who discovered and classified many new species of animals (though, alas, she never did find a Crumple-Horned Snorkack and had, finally, to accept that her father might have made that one up).
J.K. Rowling: She ended up marrying (rather later than Harry & co) a fellow naturalist and grandson of the great Newt Scamander (Rolf)!
Rosi: What does in essence divided mean?
J.K. Rowlin : Dumbledore suspected that the snake's essence was divided - that it contained part of Voldemort's soul, and that was why it was so very adept at doing his bidding.
J.K. Rowling: This also explained why Harry, the last and unintended Horcrux, could see so clearly through the snake's eyes, just as he regularly sees through Voldemort's.
J.K. Rowling: Dumbledore is thinking aloud here, edging towards the truth with the help of the Pensieve.
Superhans: What was duldeys worst memory?
J.K. Rowling: I think that when Dudley was attacked by the Dementors he saw himself, for the first time, as he really was. This was an extremely painful, but ultimately salutory lesson, and began the transformation in him.
Casey Kunze: Who killed remus and tonks I think if I knew this, I would get some closure over the very sad, but understandable, death of two of my favorite characters
J.K. Rowling: I'm so sorry! I met a couple on launch night who had come dressed as Lupin and Tonks, and I felt dreadfully guilty as I signed their books!
J.K. Rowling: Remus was killed by Dolohov and Tonks by Bellatrix.
Laura Trego: Was the absence of snapes portrait in the headmasters office in the last scene innocent or deliberate
J.K. Rowling: It was deliberate. Snape had effectively abandoned his post before dying, so he had not merited inclusion in these august circles.
J.K. Rowling: However, I like to think that Harry would be instrumental in ensuring that Snape's portrait would appear there in due course.
Stephanie: If the wand chooses the wizard, then why do wands work when passed down from father to son eg neville had his fathers wand
J.K. Rowling : As established by Ollivander, a wizard can use almost any wand, it is simply that a wand that chooses him/her will work best. Where there is a family connection, a wand will work a little better than a wand chosen at random, I think.
James Farrell: How did umbridge manage to conjure a patronus while wearing the locket when harry wasnt able to
J.K. Rowling: Because she is a very nasty piece of work. She has an affinity for this horrible object, which would help rather than hinder her.
Tineke: What happened to percy did he return to his job at the ministry
J.K. Rowling: Yes, the new improved Percy ended up as a high-ranking official under Kingsley.
Su: How did neville get the gryfindor sword, is there a link to the hat
J.K. Rowling: Yes, there is very definitely a link to the hat!
J.K. Rowling: Neville, most worthy Gryffindor, asked for help just as Harry did in the Chamber of secrets, and Gryffindor's sword was transported into Gryffindor's old hat -
J.K. Rowling: - the Sorting Hat was Gryffindor's initially, as you know.
J.K. Rowling: Griphook was wrong - Gryffindor did not 'steal' the sword, not unless you are a goblin fanatic and believe that all goblin-made objects really belong to the maker.
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[User Picture]From: cricketcat7
2007-07-31 05:25 pm (UTC)
Therefore... Any thoughts on the book? On the series in general? Things you loved? Things you hated?

I think the epilogue sort of sucked. It was all a little too perfect... almost sickening, really. The one part of it I did like was Albus Severus - that made me smile. I like how Harry named his kid after them. But still, the epilogue was too perfect.

As far as the rest of the book went, I absolutely loved it. I especially loved the whole Lily/Snape thing. Like in my icon. It made me cry.

Also... What Hogwarts House would you be in? I think I'm probably a Ravenclaw.

I want to say I'd be in Gryffindor, but as I'm highly ambitious I'd more likely be in Slytherin. :/
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[User Picture]From: marguerlucy
2007-07-31 05:38 pm (UTC)
okay okay another discussion, which will ring personally for you random:

It's so clear how much being a single mom has influenced this series of books. A friend of mine and I were discussing how much maternal feeling influences things - and in fact, she believes (and has a very good case) that JK makes a clear division in the adult female characters: they are either a.) mothers or teachers, or b.) evil. There doesn't seem to be any female who stands alone unassociated with children who just rocks, you know? even the ones who show individual promise turn into mothers.

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[User Picture]From: marguerlucy
2007-07-31 05:38 pm (UTC)
ps. when i posted this "Lily's Eyes" came on. rawk on.
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[User Picture]From: kroker
2007-07-31 05:52 pm (UTC)
so who does die?
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-07-31 07:56 pm (UTC)

No one.

Just cause you gotta read it yourself!

Though all the spoiler's are up at this point. lol. On this very post in fact.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-07-31 07:58 pm (UTC)
*nod* It helped me a lot to read those! Posted below in this link is a whole chat log with JK where she addresses a lot of it.

( Or maybe above.. I've lost track of where I am.)
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[User Picture]From: devereux1880
2007-07-31 06:39 pm (UTC)
In a nutshell I raced through the last book to find out what happened to my three favs; Snape, Hermione and Harry. I am beyond gutted that Snape died, I know it had to happen and yayaya but in my core I am soppy and I wanted Harry and Snape to be friends after the death of Volders.

I did think there might have been a suprise turn out in the ron/hermione camp because I just never really bought that relationship. Young infatuation maybe but not marriage and kids. Maybe thats just me, I thought Harry and Hermione were going to suddenly realise how they truly felt about each other.

Overall I'd say I'm a Slytherin, but I don't think that makes me a baddy, just that I have the potential to be. I always thought Gryf and Sly were more closely aligned than people think just that the wearers of the green cloth have to tread carefully to avoid misusing their advantages.

I have to say it, I am grieving to hell over Snape. I had anticipated the eyes of Lily/body of that Potter bastard attitude to Harry. I hadn't guessed that there was as much of a connection between lily and Snape as there was, just that she was kind to him and he liked her from afar

Still, a bit off subject, in OOTP the film I was really relived that the bullying scene was done in a way that was sympathetic to Snape as someone I know, who I shall not name, found that HILARIOUS when it was written in the book and I think in the book it was a bit open, you could find it funny or very awful whereas in the film it was definatly awful as you see how devastated Harry is AS he sees the memory and not just his reaction afterwards. Does that makes sense? I am writing quickly so it might not gah.

*dashes to offie b4 close*

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[User Picture]From: marguerlucy
2007-07-31 07:27 pm (UTC)
I read the Snape bullying as pretty sympathetic to him - until it took that turn on Lily. And then I thought "well they're all bastards." But in general - it's VERY apparent that James is popular and well-off, and Snape is the pariah. And to me - even though he's a bastard, he's still a likeable character, if you agree with Dumbledore up to that point that he's a good one.

I was disappointed in the movie version of it because I thought it was too fast and unclear if you havent' read the books - and it had no interaction with Lily, which we know now is VERY important. I wonder why JK didn't clue the screenwriter and director in to that. I think she could have pushed for Lily screen time in that scene without divulging the romance.
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[User Picture]From: sixstringcat
2007-07-31 07:20 pm (UTC)
haha, great video.

I have to say, I was very glad to see that Snape was not a bad guy. He just did what he had to do.
Also, all that really explained why Snape hated Harry so, so much. After all, he does look just like James, who got Snape's would-be girl.

The last book was just a great wrap up, I don't think it could have been done any other way.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-07-31 08:04 pm (UTC)
I was overall really happy with it. *nod*
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[User Picture]From: chillygator
2007-07-31 07:49 pm (UTC)
So I don't actually want to post about HP (though I do love the books), but since you're home and in a replying mood, what are your favorite places to get icons? You always have the best!
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-07-31 08:13 pm (UTC)
Thanks! ;)

I've linked the LJ names of all those who I have found on my LJ user picture viewer thingie linked from my profile when you click on the user pics.

I just kind of go all over, even searching just by 'icon" and go from there. I look at people who share my interests and look at their icon look up page thingie to see if they have links to LJ Icon makers that rock. lol. I don't really have a rhyme or reason.. just get them here and there, but I always credit if I know where it came from.
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