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Happy Dead Day? [May. 5th, 2007|07:25 am]
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Some cool imagery.

Oh, and...

"We control our own destiny."

What do you think? Comment to prove, disprove, etc. I love debates! Not that I'll necessarily be debating with you, but possibly.. feel free to debate with each other, since I won't be able to comment until this evening. (At work and such)

[User Picture]From: electrosoundwav
2007-05-05 02:45 pm (UTC)
I think it's not so much we can "do as we want" as one might think the statement means, but it's more "we control our responses to life curcumstances"
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-05-06 03:18 pm (UTC)
I would tend to agree with that as well. Regardless of what happens, good, or bad, we're responsible for our reactions and response to that event.

That's where people seem to get themselves in trouble.
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[User Picture]From: torylynn
2007-05-05 03:22 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I think that chance plays a big part in how the world around you works, but you choose how you react, and therefore, the choice is yours. You do what you want to do in your life, react what you want to do, and all of the circumstances that you can't control happen for a reason. So.. Yes and no.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-05-06 03:19 pm (UTC)
I would agree. *nod*
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From: skittish_derby
2007-05-05 04:23 pm (UTC)
i could argue both sides.

lets see, fate is nothing but a sequence of cause and effect, we cannot control each little cause, so we cannot control each little effect.
psychologically, some say that our environment controls who we will be, and if our environment controls who we will be, then we have nothing to do with what we will therefore do. then there is the whole god thing. if god is in control of the universe and if he knows what the future is, then we cannot escape fate. there is absolutely no way to know what god is thinking so it doesn't matter what we do that is random and conscientious, it is still according to his plan.

now, i hate all of those arguments.

i think that there isn't a god, that though life happens in a sequence of causes and effects, if we let go of control of our lives, then it is our responsibility not god's or fate's. i think that is the problem with fate and god in general. we are too quick to blame god for our downfall and then as soon as we fall, ask him to help us up. when we can "comand our own fate" then we are more likely to take responsibility. sure, things happen that we cannot control, but we can control how we see that random torture and we can choose how to respond. so yes. i believe that people who want to be can entirely be in control of their fate.

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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-05-06 03:25 pm (UTC)
What about those things that happen to you that you have no cause or effect over? Like when you're in a plane crash? Or the passenger in a car accident, or in a building that gets bombed, etc. How can someone have complete control over their fate and destiny with those, and other less extreme factors tugging on them?

And I think there is a God, but I don't think that God determines every little instance in our lives. I certainly don't blame God for when shit goes bad.

Well.. sometimes, but only if I'm in the blame grief stage and then I usually get over that pretty fast.
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From: skittish_derby
2007-05-06 06:19 pm (UTC)
you see though, for those little things, it is exactly my point. fate is in control of your fate.

as for the other side, when terrible things happen, like when you die horribly. i dunno, i am pretty sure that all humans die. it is our condition, the human disease is life. it is terminal. and those are circumstances. how we react in those situations is completely up to us. like my grandmother, when she was dying, she made us laugh. some people wallow in their death.

i think what i am trying to say is that fate refers to living because everyone dies. "star crossed lovers" "he was fated to be alone" what have you, all end with living. since we all die.

i think fate is what happens while we are still alive.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-05-07 12:19 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: saabisu
2007-05-05 06:25 pm (UTC)
Even if we can't control our destiny we must act as though we can, otherwise we won't take any risks. I mean, why bother when your destiny is already chosen?
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-05-06 03:27 pm (UTC)
*nod* I can see that.
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