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Death is addicting? I don't know. lol [Jul. 10th, 2009|01:02 pm]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhKjA6u27xQ

Amazing dance about addiction from So You Think You Can Dance.. I think? One of the dance shows anyway, but it's reeeeally good.


The first country to abolish the death sentence was Austria, in 1787.

And I know we've talked about the death penalty here and there throughout the years, but I was interested in your current feelings about it, if you want to share.
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[User Picture]From: leilia
2009-07-10 06:08 pm (UTC)
It's because of routines like that which make me love "So you think you can Dance" I am not fond of that pairing (their other dance this week was emotionless) but that dance was excellent which I equate to Mia Michaels.

There are several others from that show throughout the seasons that are really just lovely.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2009-08-24 03:18 pm (UTC)
I agree. This dance is incredible.
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[User Picture]From: epic_life_fail
2009-07-10 06:09 pm (UTC)
watched that last night and freaking teared up. It was fantastic!

(will not respond to death penalty discussion - is trap!)
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2009-08-24 03:18 pm (UTC)
Is not trap! I just want everyones opinion. :)

And it's an amazing dance.
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[User Picture]From: lilpenguingurl1
2009-07-10 06:36 pm (UTC)
It should be completely abolished.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2009-08-24 03:20 pm (UTC)
I generally tend to agree, but probably for different reasons. I think it's ridiculous how much the death penalty COSTS. And I think that unless there is absolute proof that they did it, like nothing that could be altered, no shadow of a doubt. I have no problem killing people who hurt children, so long as it can be done cost effectively.. but i'm really protective of kids.
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[User Picture]From: romeokid
2009-07-10 07:00 pm (UTC)
I say, if you murder someone, we murder you. Of course every situation depends on the circumstances. But in general that's how it goes.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2009-08-24 03:21 pm (UTC)
As long as there is no doubt whatsoever. I worry about how many people are executed because they could not afford good council or racist juries, etc.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2009-08-24 03:21 pm (UTC)
Do you think that every criminal can be rehabilitated?
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[User Picture]From: koupob
2009-07-10 08:53 pm (UTC)
As someone who recently had an ex (still really good friends) and his sister murdered, and whose killer is currently undergoing trial, I wholeheartedly DO NOT support the death penalty.

Something that my experience has taught me is that to kill someone is not to punish that individual. They get off easy. They're dead! They don't feel anything anymore for crying out loud! (and as a Christian, I believe they're in heaven, which is a much better place to be anyway). Who it does punish is every single person who ever knew them or was impacted by them. You want to see pain? See a close-knit family of 5 lose their two oldest. It's horrible to see, and devastating to experience. I would never wish that on ANYBODY, especially when there is actually a reasoned choice involved.

So to kill someone for murdering someone else would not TRULY punish that person. It would punish THEIR family, and THEIR friends, in the same way that the family and friends of the victims were punished. The murderer's family and friends didn't commit that crime!! Why would we choose to punish them?!?!

No, I'd rather see that person spend all of their life in prison, with all the hardship that entails, knowing that any possibility they had for a future, for a family, for a story is gone forever. To know that you have 60 more years to live, and in all that time you will NOTHING of any significance to anyone, except maybe keep yourself from getting f***ed over in prison is a much better punishment in my mind. I'll even pay for it with however much taxes it takes to keep someone alive and in prison for that long!

And on a different note, I'm also newly a strong supporter of putting prisoners to work (physical labor) in prison rather than letting them sit around bored all day.

-Koupob
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[User Picture]From: cricketcat7
2009-07-11 03:07 am (UTC)
AGREED. God, you put it so much more eloquently than I did, too.
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[User Picture]From: vulcmoto
2009-07-10 09:17 pm (UTC)
Until we also execute rich people, we may as well abololish the death penalty. We've executed a lot of poor men, but never a rich man.

Americans are unfortunately often filled with wrath, hate, and revenge. This is especially true in Texas, where I live. We can't turn 'em and burn 'em fast enough in this state.

Killing someone in the state's name may satisfy the lust for revenge, but it really doesn't accomplish anything else.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2009-08-24 03:25 pm (UTC)
I have no problem with executions for those who kill children, personally. But only if it is without a shadow of doubt and not with prejudice for financial, racial or other reasons like that. Unfortunately I don't think our society is at a place where that's likely to occur.
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[User Picture]From: ranchonmars
2009-07-10 09:41 pm (UTC)
That dance was just amazing. One of the few SYTYCD segements to ever make me misty-eyed.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2009-08-24 03:26 pm (UTC)
It's really, really good.
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[User Picture]From: skittish_derby
2009-07-10 09:50 pm (UTC)
the system here is broken. someone who did the crime gets off for trivial things like mishandling the evidence, someone who didn't do the crime ends up being punished for it because he didn't hire a good enough attorney. there is no justice in this justice system.

on the other hand, child molesters and rapists and murderers make my blood boil. death seems like justice. they made the choice to kill and rape and molest children, we have to live with their choice. they have stolen innocence and innocent lives. they have a debt. whether they spend the rest of their lives working on a field or sitting in a cage or in front of a firing squad, they have made their choice.

if this system weren't so corrupt, it would be an easier political argument, but since there is no justice, then you cannot condemn people so easily. unless you can.

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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2009-08-24 03:26 pm (UTC)
Agreed entirely. You and I are definitely on the same page.
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From: (Anonymous)
2009-07-11 02:35 am (UTC)
Death is addictive. Once you get into it, it's almost impossible to get out.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2009-08-24 03:27 pm (UTC)
In what sense?
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[User Picture]From: travestine
2009-07-11 02:41 am (UTC)
Because death sentences are carried out against mainly the poor and disadvantaged, and because forensic science has come lightyears in the areas of DNA and trace evidence, I am against the death penalty.

I also agree with the poster above who discussed the argument that it is much more of a punishment to keep someone alive than to kill them. The death penalty is based on the belief that killing the murderer will provide some kind of relief from the grief and anger of the act or acts committed. I think if a study was done on the loved ones of murder victims whose killers had been executed, it would probably been found that whatever relief was achieved by that feeling of revenge would have been fleeting.

We have had some very famous, very heinous serial killers in Canada and we don't have the death penalty. These men are now stuck in tiny cells, segregated from the general populations, for the rest of their lives. They live solitary, boring existences, with one hour of exercise per day, if they are lucky. I can't think of a more fitting punishment.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2009-08-24 03:28 pm (UTC)
I like how Canada does it. I just hate the idea of criminals getting internet, and cable tv, and learning how to be better criminals when they get back on the outside. And that seems to be all prison does in America. Is teach criminals how to be more dangerous and less catch-able.
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[User Picture]From: cricketcat7
2009-07-11 03:05 am (UTC)
Wow, that dance is amazing. Wow.

I'm not a fan of the death penalty -- honestly, I think it's not a harsh enough punishment. It allows the convict to escape the misery of a life in prison... I think a lot of people would rather die than spend their entire lives in prison. I think that, in that way, the death penalty doesn't quite work out as being the harshest possible punishment. So I think that it shouldn't be used as that.

I know that's a little cruel of me, but that's how I feel.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2009-08-24 03:29 pm (UTC)
I'm with you. If prison was more of a prison. I don't like that there's internet available, and cable television, and that they have free healthcare.. lol. That makes me bitter, right there.
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[User Picture]From: esme
2009-07-12 03:00 am (UTC)
Interesting dance!

I'm not a fan of the death penalty because, to me, it doesn't seem to be the huge deterrent its proponents claim it to be. I don't claim to know what would be a better alternative, though.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2009-08-24 03:30 pm (UTC)
I liked the dance. :)

And yeah, there's gotta be a better way.
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