It's because of routines like that which make me love "So you think you can Dance" I am not fond of that pairing (their other dance this week was emotionless) but that dance was excellent which I equate to Mia Michaels.
There are several others from that show throughout the seasons that are really just lovely.
I agree. This dance is incredible.
watched that last night and freaking teared up. It was fantastic!
(will not respond to death penalty discussion - is trap!)
Is not trap! I just want everyones opinion. :)
And it's an amazing dance.
It should be completely abolished.
I generally tend to agree, but probably for different reasons. I think it's ridiculous how much the death penalty COSTS. And I think that unless there is absolute proof that they did it, like nothing that could be altered, no shadow of a doubt. I have no problem killing people who hurt children, so long as it can be done cost effectively.. but i'm really protective of kids.
I say, if you murder someone, we murder you. Of course every situation depends on the circumstances. But in general that's how it goes.
As long as there is no doubt whatsoever. I worry about how many people are executed because they could not afford good council or racist juries, etc.
Do you think that every criminal can be rehabilitated?
What about violent criminals? Rapists? Child molesters? I'm just trying to see where you're coming from before I fully respond.
In my experience rapists and child molesters are always repeat offenders. So as long as they're supervised constantly and not allowed children or people of the gender that they rape I think they're fine to be supervised.
As someone who recently had an ex (still really good friends) and his sister murdered, and whose killer is currently undergoing trial, I wholeheartedly DO NOT support the death penalty.
Something that my experience has taught me is that to kill someone is not to punish that individual. They get off easy. They're dead! They don't feel anything anymore for crying out loud! (and as a Christian, I believe they're in heaven, which is a much better place to be anyway). Who it does punish is every single person who ever knew them or was impacted by them. You want to see pain? See a close-knit family of 5 lose their two oldest. It's horrible to see, and devastating to experience. I would never wish that on ANYBODY, especially when there is actually a reasoned choice involved.
So to kill someone for murdering someone else would not TRULY punish that person. It would punish THEIR family, and THEIR friends, in the same way that the family and friends of the victims were punished. The murderer's family and friends didn't commit that crime!! Why would we choose to punish them?!?!
No, I'd rather see that person spend all of their life in prison, with all the hardship that entails, knowing that any possibility they had for a future, for a family, for a story is gone forever. To know that you have 60 more years to live, and in all that time you will NOTHING of any significance to anyone, except maybe keep yourself from getting f***ed over in prison is a much better punishment in my mind. I'll even pay for it with however much taxes it takes to keep someone alive and in prison for that long!
And on a different note, I'm also newly a strong supporter of putting prisoners to work (physical labor) in prison rather than letting them sit around bored all day.
AGREED. God, you put it so much more eloquently than I did, too.
*hugs* I'm so sorry for your loss. How are you doing?
And I have very mixed feelings. There are so many prisons that have internet and television and gyms, and it just seems to be a breeding ground for criminals to learn new crimes.
And then there's the prison industrial complex which is all about arresting people for marijuana possession, etc. and then forcing them to work, which I think is ridiculous.
I would like to see violent criminals involved in working, and whatever money they earn over what it costs to employ their guards and feed them and house them should be sent to the families of those that they have hurt.
I'm just sick of hearing about people being sent to jail for pot. So stupid. Especially when rapists and child molesters seem to get off with a slap of the wrist.
Until we also execute rich people, we may as well abololish the death penalty. We've executed a lot of poor men, but never a rich man.
Americans are unfortunately often filled with wrath, hate, and revenge. This is especially true in Texas, where I live. We can't turn 'em and burn 'em fast enough in this state.
Killing someone in the state's name may satisfy the lust for revenge, but it really doesn't accomplish anything else.
I have no problem with executions for those who kill children, personally. But only if it is without a shadow of doubt and not with prejudice for financial, racial or other reasons like that. Unfortunately I don't think our society is at a place where that's likely to occur.
Americans are a bloodthirsty society. Whether it's carrying guns, starting wars, or whatever...we have a lust for violence.
And it's really a sad reflection on us. The problem is, Americans are by-and-large not really that bright, and therefore have no idea how foolish they look.
Oh I don't think I'm foolish or bloodthirsty. I think that any good society is protective of children.
Oh, I'm not saying you. I'm saying this country as a whole.
Look, I have no problem with executing those who have killed others. In fact, if I were king, we'd do it far less humanely than we do now. I see no problem with frying someone in the electric chair.
The problem lies in the fact that the wealthy and well-connected never, NEVER, EVER face the death penalty. The poor do. And until that's addressed, there should be no death penalty. Period.
Americans are, as I mentioned, a violent people. Whether it's movies, video games, the lust for guns, the fact we have no issue that fully 50% of our budget is for military stuff, whatever. We pride ourselves on these things.
That is the real issue.
But yeah...you kill a child, you should die yourself. And not seven years later. More like seven DAYS later. And forget the "oh, we can't make it painful" bullshit. Make it hurt!
That's all I'm saying. So, we agree.
Yes, we definitely do. :)
That dance was just amazing. One of the few SYTYCD segements to ever make me misty-eyed.
It's really, really good.
the system here is broken. someone who did the crime gets off for trivial things like mishandling the evidence, someone who didn't do the crime ends up being punished for it because he didn't hire a good enough attorney. there is no justice in this justice system.
on the other hand, child molesters and rapists and murderers make my blood boil. death seems like justice. they made the choice to kill and rape and molest children, we have to live with their choice. they have stolen innocence and innocent lives. they have a debt. whether they spend the rest of their lives working on a field or sitting in a cage or in front of a firing squad, they have made their choice.
if this system weren't so corrupt, it would be an easier political argument, but since there is no justice, then you cannot condemn people so easily. unless you can.
Agreed entirely. You and I are definitely on the same page.
2009-07-11 02:35 am (UTC)
Death is addictive. Once you get into it, it's almost impossible to get out.
Because death sentences are carried out against mainly the poor and disadvantaged, and because forensic science has come lightyears in the areas of DNA and trace evidence, I am against the death penalty.
I also agree with the poster above who discussed the argument that it is much more of a punishment to keep someone alive than to kill them. The death penalty is based on the belief that killing the murderer will provide some kind of relief from the grief and anger of the act or acts committed. I think if a study was done on the loved ones of murder victims whose killers had been executed, it would probably been found that whatever relief was achieved by that feeling of revenge would have been fleeting.
We have had some very famous, very heinous serial killers in Canada and we don't have the death penalty. These men are now stuck in tiny cells, segregated from the general populations, for the rest of their lives. They live solitary, boring existences, with one hour of exercise per day, if they are lucky. I can't think of a more fitting punishment.
I like how Canada does it. I just hate the idea of criminals getting internet, and cable tv, and learning how to be better criminals when they get back on the outside. And that seems to be all prison does in America. Is teach criminals how to be more dangerous and less catch-able.
There is an article in Salon today about a man who was executed for the "arson" murders of his three children. It has now been proven by experts that the investigator had no foundation in arson science, either at the time of the initial investigation or by current standards, to come to a conclusion of arson, let alone murder.http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/us/2009/08/26/D9AASFQ00_us_texas_execution_arson/index.html
This is why, for pragmatic reasons, I oppose the death penalty. It can't be rectified if a mistake is made. And there is no way, in a civilzied society, that it is acceptable for even one innocent person's life to be taken by the state "by accident". Whether the mistakes in the investigation are innocent or malicious, no execution based on erroneous evidence can ever be acceptable. For that reason alone, I believe in life imprisonment without parole for the most heinous crimes, rather than the death penalty.
Wow, that dance is amazing. Wow.
I'm not a fan of the death penalty -- honestly, I think it's not a harsh enough punishment. It allows the convict to escape the misery of a life in prison... I think a lot of people would rather die than spend their entire lives in prison. I think that, in that way, the death penalty doesn't quite work out as being the harshest possible punishment. So I think that it shouldn't be used as that.
I know that's a little cruel of me, but that's how I feel.
I'm with you. If prison was more of a prison. I don't like that there's internet available, and cable television, and that they have free healthcare.. lol. That makes me bitter, right there.
2009-07-12 03:00 am (UTC)
I'm not a fan of the death penalty because, to me, it doesn't seem to be the huge deterrent its proponents claim it to be. I don't claim to know what would be a better alternative, though.
I liked the dance. :)
And yeah, there's gotta be a better way.