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History has a way of repeating itself. [Aug. 2nd, 2008|12:07 am]
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Please feel free to pass this on. I encourage it. I think the more people that know what's happening the better. I am beyond horrified.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/2043851/Italy-Italian-children-back-burning-of-gypsy-camps.html

Italian children back burning of gypsy camps
A class of primary school children in Naples has shocked Italy after submitting homework which supported the burning of gypsy camps.
 
The children, aged between 9 and 11 years old, are pupils at San Giuseppe Bosco, near a camp at Ponticelli that has been repeatedly attacked by a xenophobic mob.

Locals first set fire to the camp two weeks ago in retaliation to stories that a gypsy girl had tried to steal a baby elsewhere in the city. Since then it has been repeatedly attacked, with more petrol bombs launched at its makeshift buildings.

Teachers at the school had set the children the task of explaining how they felt about the persecution of the gypsies. The response was an alarming series of drawings and essays, many of which supported the vigilante action.

“The gypsies steal children to transplant their organs,” wrote one child.

“We are not racist, but if they want to stay they have to stop stealing,” wrote another.

One crayon drawing showed burning buildings with a mob outside shouting “Fight, fight!” and “Get out of here, Roma!”

The attacks and essays come against a backdrop of growing intolerance to immigrants, fuelled by hard-line partners in the new government of prime minister Silvio Berlusconi.
A report by Amnesty International yesterday warned that Italy was now “dangerous” for illegal immigrants.

Mariano Coppola, the headmaster, blamed the parents of the children for their attitudes, and claimed that many of the children had actually participated in the attacks on the Ponticelli camp.

“Their teachers were working with them to help them understand what really happened, and to clearly show them that these violent acts should not be repeated,” he said.

“But in their families, or on the streets, these kids are learning a very different lesson,” he added. “Some of these children were fully involved and have told stories about taking part in the raids, and have firmly defended their position afterwards,” he said.

La Repubblica newspaper reported that one child called Francesco wrote: “The people who live in Ponticelli may have gone over the top, but perhaps they were right because they have been left alone for too long to deal with the problems from the Roma.”

Another student, Giuseppe, wrote: This was the right thing to do. The gypsies wouldn’t go when asked nicely so we had to get tough with them”.

In its report, Amnesty said it was particularly concerned about a new law which will deal hefty prison sentences to illegal immigrants.

“Amnesty International is extremely alarmed both by the contents and haste of these measures... and by the climate of discrimination which preceded them,” Miss Carboni, the head of Amnesty in Italy.

Mr Berlusconi’s government has also drawn up plans for 10 new “Centres of Temporary Permanence” in which to hold immigrants until repatriation.

Italy’s statistics agency, ISTAT, fanned the fires of anti-immigrant feeling yesterday by releasing numbers showing that immigrants are responsible for more than a third of the murders committed last year.

ISTAT said foreigners had committed 70 per cent of all petty theft, 39 per cent of the sexual offences and 36 per cent of the murders.
The damning figures confirmed the opinion of almost half the country that immigrants are “dishonest”. However, ISTAT also noted that many of the crimes committed by foreigners were against other foreigners.
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Randoms Note - The article doesn't mention it, but Italy is now fingerprinting all of the Roma people so they can determine if someone is legal or illegal. Like travelling people can prove their identitiy if they don't have identification cards. A legal way to force those the new government finds undesireable out of the country. Makes me sick. Here's more on that: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/07/03/news/Italy-Fingerprinting-Gypsies.php


---- Unrelated youtube. History though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwEWOFxXPpA&e

The toilet of the Tudors.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-08-02 05:11 am (UTC)
Thank you for passing it on. It's horrible. The more people that know what's going on the better.
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[User Picture]From: beepbeep
2008-08-02 06:26 am (UTC)

I feel like puking

Wonder how far in that direction the US is going to go. I can tell you right now it is not a lot of fun here to be overweight or dependent on disability benefits. It's probably a lousy time to be a child of illegal immigrant parents. Watch a new Republican administration use Italy as a model...

I've got relatives back there (Italy) but don't know where. If I did, I'd tell them to knock it off. Sheesh. This is just revolting.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-08-02 06:28 am (UTC)

Re: I feel like puking

Isn't it awful? And very good points all. It's just so horrible. Please pass it along. I think more people need to know about this.
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From: pixiepancake
2008-08-02 09:17 am (UTC)

i need an "angry" icon

that makes my blood BOIL

(the first bit, obviously)
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-08-02 09:36 am (UTC)

Re: i need an "angry" icon

Agreed entirely.
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[User Picture]From: everette1_
2008-08-02 10:06 am (UTC)
Besides the love story, the movie Gypo depicts some of these issues.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-08-02 10:12 am (UTC)
I'll check it out when my computer's running a little better. It refers to the current situation in Italy since the new government started allof this?
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[User Picture]From: everette1_
2008-08-02 11:27 am (UTC)
The movie was released in 2005, so it predates the link provided. The deep-seated prejudices you mention are depicted in Gypo.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-08-02 03:35 pm (UTC)
*nod* I'll definitely check it out.
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[User Picture]From: everette1_
2008-08-02 04:48 pm (UTC)
You're welcome. Spread the word.
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[User Picture]From: runeenigma
2008-08-02 03:15 pm (UTC)
Scary. Sometimes humanity makes me sick.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-08-02 03:35 pm (UTC)
Not very Humane,a re we? :(
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[User Picture]From: frontdoorangel
2008-08-02 07:32 pm (UTC)
I think the ignorance in the whole article is astounding...harvesting organs, stealing babies ect.. but, I can't help but, think that there is another side to this. I don't know how I would feel if I was in the same situation.

I don't think the situation is comprable with the illegal immigration issue here in the US since I would imagine that a hefty percentage of the illegal immigrants here at least attempt to set down roots. I do think illegal immigration is wrong regardless, but, my solution would be to make it easier to become a citizen and I doubt that would be very popular.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-08-02 08:31 pm (UTC)
What side do you think there is that's not being mentioned? I'm not sure your point of view here and I'm trying to figure it out.
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[User Picture]From: frontdoorangel
2008-08-03 03:19 am (UTC)
From what I understand, Naples is a pretty poverty stricken place in general and with Italian government officials that are morally bankrupt and using phrases like "army of evil" when referring to immigrants..I don't know, I can see that some people would be willing to take their frustrations out on the nearest scapegoat. Combine that with the fact that the Roma traditionally don't assimilate with their host nations they would be seen as not part of the community and thus part of the problem. I sincerely doubt that the Italian media played up how many of those Roma who were burned out and terrorized, were actually Italian citizens. I also find it incredibly disturbing that the teachers who seemed to want to help their students come to terms with the violence apparently had no problem showcasing those same students to the media as hate mongering little freaks.

I don't know. I guess what my point was is that this is literally a centuries old problem that I think is no closer to a reasonable solution than it ever has been. I read in another article that in a survey something like 81% of the Italian participants wanted the Roma expelled from the country permanently. I sincerely doubt that all those people who took part in the survey were evil which leads me to believe that the ignorance and superstition is a major, major problem. Instead of spending so much money fingerprinting the non-citizen non-paper carrying Roma, the Italian government might be better served to incorporate a little more money into the educational system so that medieval concepts like baby snatching might be laid to rest.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-08-03 03:45 am (UTC)
Agreed very much. I just wasn't sure where you were going with it. Sorry about that, just wanted to clarify.
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From: (Anonymous)
2008-10-07 09:10 am (UTC)

Hello.. Let's get acquainted...

Hi!
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-10-07 04:09 pm (UTC)

Re: Hello.. Let's get acquainted...

Hello. I'm Random. Nice to meet you.
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