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Pain & Physicians [Mar. 19th, 2008|02:44 am]
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I thought I'd post a bit of news that really bothered me:

http://www.reason.com/news/show/122516.html

In 2004 police in Tampa, Florida, found 58 Vicodin pills and a misdemeanor amount of marijuana in an illegally parked bread truck. Prosecutors charged the driver, 45-year-old Mark O’Hara, with felony drug distribution—not for the pot but for the Vicodin. Under Florida law, mere possession of a given weight of a controlled substance can bring distribution charges, even if, as was the case with O’Hara, there’s no evidence the defendant sold or gave away any pills.
In O’Hara’s case, the charge was even odder: He had a prescription for the pills.
At his trial, two doctors testified that they had been treating O’Hara since the early 1990s for pain related to gout and an automobile accident. But prosecutors insisted that Florida law does not allow for a “prescription defense” to drug charges, a strange claim that, if true, would make every resident of Florida in possession of prescription painkillers a felonious drug dealer. Nevertheless, the trial judge agreed with prosecutors and refused to allow O’Hara to admit his prescription into evidence. The jury convicted O’Hara, and he was sentenced to 25 years in prison.
In July a state appeals court threw out the conviction, calling it “ridiculous” and describing the prosecutors’ claim that there is “no prescription defense” in Florida “absurd.” O’Hara, who had already served two years in prison, was released a week later.
Unfortunately, O’Hara’s legal troubles aren’t over. Despite the rebuke from the state appeals court, prosecutors announced in August that they plan to try O’Hara again on the same charges.

-- Isn't that just ridiculous!?

Have you ever been denied pain medication when you honestly needed it to treat pain that you were having?

Poll #1156670 Pain Medication

Have you ever been denied adequate pain medication by a Doctor?

Yes.
21(20.0%)
No.
84(80.0%)

Have you ever sought out pain medication for recreational purposes?

Yes.
13(12.5%)
No.
91(87.5%)

Where are you from?

North America
87(82.9%)
Europe
11(10.5%)
Australia
6(5.7%)
Asia
1(1.0%)
South America
0(0.0%)
Africa
0(0.0%)
Antarctica
0(0.0%)


I think this is a growing trend, all to do with how the DEA is cracking down on Doctors writing valid prescriptions, due to the increase of people using pain medications for recreational purposes ( In the states anyhow.) Personally I have had Doctors refuse to write me pain medication when I was in terrible pain, and it was pretty clear they took a look at me, and my age range, my gender, the fact that I'm a single Mom, and I fit their little stereotype of what a "pill-seeker" looks like, so they didn't give me medicine, and I got sicker and ended up in the ER. I think this is happening to more and more people and is being under-reported, I'm curious to see if any of you have encountered it.
And here's your youtube of the day:

Keeping in the medical theme:

http://glumbert.com/media/worstambulance
The worst ambulance ride ever. I hope that those involved got pain meds, regardless. ;)
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[User Picture]From: ebourland
2008-03-19 08:01 am (UTC)
I am fortunate to not need pain medication. *knocks wood*

Good night ma'am.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 08:07 am (UTC)
Well it better stay that way. :) *hugs*

I'm heading to bed in a bit here too, sweet dreams!

So far looks like maybe I'm the only person this has happened too. lol. I guess I'm going to feel pretty silly about posting it if that's the case. Wow! Now I'm feeling particularly targeted by my Doctors.

It's all a conspiracy! lol
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[User Picture]From: jblaque
2008-03-19 08:13 am (UTC)
"-- Isn't that just ridiculous!?"

As a chronic gout sufferer myself, I'd say it's more like criminally insane. O'Hara should not only be cleared of the charges, he should be financially compensated - in a big way - for the time he's already served.

P.S. How much would you like to wager that he legally received regular pain medication from the prison pharmacy?
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 08:15 am (UTC)
It's totally insane.

And I highly doubt it. I bet worst of all he's been made to sit suffering for two years in his pain while in prison.
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[User Picture]From: toothlesshag
2008-03-19 08:15 am (UTC)
Yeah. . . but have you ever met anyone with an abuse problem? One lady started asking teachers in the school that I work in to sell her pain meds.

And when I worked as a pharmacy tech - I couldn't believe how many people would bring phony scripts, would do stupid things like try to hock old medicine to customers at my counter, and ALOT of people pulled this: "Oh - the bottle broke! The liquid went everywhere, please give me more."

I dont know what the answer is either.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 08:17 am (UTC)
Oh absolutely. But should anyone be made to suffer pain and go with out medicine, because someone else out there is using that medicine to get high?

Why punish the innocent?
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[User Picture]From: nebris
2008-03-19 08:20 am (UTC)

they plan to try O’Hara again on the same charges.

Ummm, excuse me, but ain't that Double Jeopardy?

~M~
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 08:21 am (UTC)

Re: they plan to try O’Hara again on the same charges.

Yeah. Sounds like it to me, unless they mean when he "repeat offends"?
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[User Picture]From: nemjersatyr
2008-03-19 09:04 am (UTC)
I had a tooth ache I swear.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:26 pm (UTC)
;)
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[User Picture]From: sparklylights
2008-03-19 10:22 am (UTC)
I think you should get yourself a new doctor!
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:27 pm (UTC)
It's not just one that hasn't treated me though. Argh. :( I guess I'm going to have to start looking around. If I was a guy I know they'd give me meds that would help.
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[User Picture]From: frontdoorangel
2008-03-19 10:55 am (UTC)
I've never been denied pain meds when I needed them, however, I have experienced several family members who are addicted to prescription meds. I can see a growing problem, but, persecuting people who have valid prescriptions in a court of law is just crazy.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:29 pm (UTC)
It's a mess. :(
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[User Picture]From: watergal
2008-03-19 11:12 am (UTC)
Well, of course I don't know anything about this case and the fellow might very well be being mistreated, but people do obtain prescriptions under false pretenses (not disclosing they have already been to one or more other doctors recently also to get narcotics etc.) to resell. So if the 58 Vicodin were not in a prescription bottle with his name on it, but instead, say, repackaged in several baggies....

I am very sorry you were mistreated by your doctor (and about the single mom part. I didn't realize that! How do you do it all??). Of course that isn't right. When a decision is made that narcotics aren't appropriate, it should be on the "first do no harm" principle. Most of us have had patients die or suffer organ damage from O.Ding on something we have prescribed, and while I have since then sometimes assessed the morbidity/mortality risk of giving someone unsupervised access to a significant amount of narcotic to be greater than the risk to their life and health of inadequately controlled pain, it was never meant to be as "punishment" for anyone else's wrongdoing.

But yes, the problem is HUGE in the USA and with Internet pharmacies, continuing to burgeon.
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[User Picture]From: watergal
2008-03-19 11:13 am (UTC)
< sheepish>sorry about the hijack< /sheepish>

Edited at 2008-03-19 11:14 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: esme
2008-03-19 11:44 am (UTC)
Yeah. That is a suck-ass thing for the guy. Hopefully, he will be cleared, especially since he had a prescription! Sheesh. (And, I'll add: Yeah, Florida!)

I've been treated as a drug seeker before. I'm not sure why, but it's happened before. Part of me thinks it is because I know and understand about my body and what does/does not work for me. Meh.

I'm sorry to hear you ended up in the ER because they wouldn't treat your pain. Ugh!

My last pain med prescription was for Lortab. It was after tooth #3 was pulled. The area hurt like a mo-fo. I only took 1.5 pills out of 10 because I found out people have really wild/bad hallucinations while taking it or coming off the med. Did not want! Now, I'm kind of scared I won't get the same level for my dental implant surgery.

Anyhoo...prescription drug abuse is growing. I know it is easier to go find Vicodin on the street than to get a prescription. Not because I've gone looking; I've known people hooked on it.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:38 pm (UTC)
Isn't it messed up? And I think it's strange that it's easier to get more illicit drugs off the street then a genuine pain medication from a Dooctor.

And I've never had lortab. Did you have any hallucinations with what you took?
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[User Picture]From: chibisven
2008-03-19 12:12 pm (UTC)
How that law is worded, doesn't that make every pharmacist in Florida a Felon?
Clearly avoiding Florida, they have too much crazy in the water
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:41 pm (UTC)
I believe that it can certainly be used against them.
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[User Picture]From: uberchris
2008-03-19 02:56 pm (UTC)
I never take the drugs.. I think I'm weird.. i like that pain..
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[User Picture]From: aongeli
2008-03-19 01:27 pm (UTC)
No to the above, but I do have a doctor that over prescribes some pain meds, in my opinion...

"Oh, you have a bad cough that is keeping you from sleeping? I'll get you what I take when I need help with that"

**Me expecting a hydrocodone cough syrup, always works for me**

**gets handed a prescription for -30- Lortab 5's**

"Umm ...Lortab?"

"Yeah, the codone is good for the cough and it will help you sleep. =)"

Don't want to know what all She takes is for...
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:42 pm (UTC)
Oh wow. *blink* I would have thought they'd gone wiht the cough syrup too.

Maybe if I had a Doctor like that I'd actually get prescribed medicine to treat my pain though.
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[User Picture]From: insane_hope
2008-03-19 01:40 pm (UTC)
wow, just wow. The idea that you could go to jail for pill prescribed to you is absurd, and how can they bring him to court again for the same crime, isn't that double jepordy
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:43 pm (UTC)
Unless they're expecting him to do the same thing again? Which if he has chronic pain, of course he'll be getting pain meds again.
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[User Picture]From: adaveen
2008-03-19 01:43 pm (UTC)
I have this completely UNFUN metabolism that refuses to get hooked on pain meds. I've been cut open so many times that I've had the opportunity - morphine gives me fits and shakes, codeine - shakes and nightmares, percocet - vomiting and shakes. As soon as the pain is gone, the painkillers just make me sick. I can't even get hooked on the muscle relaxant I take for my fibro.

I do take herbal stuff recreationally, which means I've been known to pop some kava kava for fun and relaxation.

I had more trouble avoiding alcohol once I got a taste for it - shame it's fattening. Painkillers aren't fattening - especially when you just puke them up all the time.

Florida is in fact insane, I can verify that from anectodal evidence.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:44 pm (UTC)
So when you're hurting your body keeps down the pills but when the pain is gone, you've tried taking it, and you throw it up? That's crazy!
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[User Picture]From: jehannamama
2008-03-19 02:24 pm (UTC)
That is really scary!
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:45 pm (UTC)
Isn't it? :(
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[User Picture]From: siilenti
2008-03-19 02:31 pm (UTC)
I like in Tampa,Florida.
And I once had meds for a toothache.

IM NOT A DEALER, I SWEARS!

Poor guy! Florida strikes again..
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[User Picture]From: siilenti
2008-03-19 02:32 pm (UTC)
live**
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[User Picture]From: lilpenguingurl1
2008-03-19 02:38 pm (UTC)
AGGHH!
i hate the war on drugs!
so even if he was buying these pills from the pharmacy, he wouldn't even be able to put them in his car to take them home

apsoefuaorbfiuiduasduadsffds. i can't wait for 01.21.09!!!
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:46 pm (UTC)
I know, right? :(
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[User Picture]From: koupob
2008-03-19 02:54 pm (UTC)
Whatever happened to that whole...double jeopardy thing?

-Koupob
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:47 pm (UTC)
The only thing I can think is if he's going to be a repeat offender, which if he has chronic pain he'll likely get more.
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[User Picture]From: koupob
2008-03-19 02:55 pm (UTC)
And speaking of the DEA being ridiculously assinine, it just so happens that I've been doing research on Industrial Hemp (the NON-narcotic version of M.J.) and am continually reminded of the uselessness, pointlessness, and absurdity of that particular agency.

-Koupob
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:48 pm (UTC)
I know, right? Arrrrgh!!
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[User Picture]From: uberchris
2008-03-19 02:55 pm (UTC)
That story is crazy. I've never been on pain medication and I hope I don't need it for my Kennedy's Disease.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:47 pm (UTC)
Kennedy's Disease?
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[User Picture]From: kroker
2008-03-19 03:41 pm (UTC)
hehe. I live in Europe. I love living in Europe.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:49 pm (UTC)
Seriously. :(
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[User Picture]From: romeokid
2008-03-19 05:43 pm (UTC)
That's Double Jeopardy! You can't be convicted of the same crime twice. Well, wait. Maybe that's only for murder. You can't murder the same person twice. Nevermind then. Go on...
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[User Picture]From: maudelynn
2008-03-19 05:54 pm (UTC)
Actually, you can be charged by a local court AND a federal court...
I am not sure how this is done, or how it is fair, but it DOES happen
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[User Picture]From: unwrittenformat
2008-03-19 06:41 pm (UTC)
I have never been denied...however...

I just sprained my ankle during a softball game and my physical therapist is rubbing ...dmso? on it to help the swelling. It's an illegal drug but the only reason it was taken off the market is because its naturally grown and I guess not enough profit was coming off of it.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 06:55 pm (UTC)
Oh wow. Interesting. I had never heard of it before.
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[User Picture]From: popsimon
2008-03-19 07:41 pm (UTC)
to clarify, by seeking out pain medication i mean something to relieve my hangover etc..
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 07:44 pm (UTC)
Ahh. *nod* A little different I think. ;)
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[User Picture]From: imperfect
2008-03-19 08:48 pm (UTC)
i noticed this too especially if you have bad insurance. i went to the hospital literally crying because of a wisdom tooth infection a few weeks ago. they gave me 6 percacets to last me untill monday when i could see the dentist. well the dental surgeon cant get me in to pull them untill april 1st, and he sent me home with NOTHING. you;d think he'd give me at least tylenol 3 to last untill the surgery. XD or at least for emergencies untill the infection past. i was literally in so much pain that i couldnt eat or sleep for DAYS. the emergency room dr even gave me a shot of novacaine.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-19 09:18 pm (UTC)
*hugs* i think if you have bad insurance and you're a woman, especially a young woman you're very unlikely to receive pain medication. :( It's terrible. I'm sorry hon.
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