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Verboten! [Mar. 8th, 2008|04:36 pm]
randomposting
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[music |A Steven Segal movie. My life sucks. lol]

Soo... LJ is ammending their terms of service, and now have changed their "spam" definition to this:


Summary
Numerous identical or nearly identical unsolicited, unwanted comments or entries have been posted to various journals and/or communities.

Action
If a journal owner or community maintainer believes a comment is spam, he or she should delete the content, and select the "Mark as Spam" option which will appear. This will submit a report to our spam management system, and will be included with any other reports against the same user (or IP address for anonymous comments). These reports are periodically reviewed and acted upon by the Abuse Prevention Team.

If it is determined that a user is spamming, they will receive a warning. Repeat offenses will lead to further action being taken. Accounts which exist primarily for the purpose of spamming will be permanently suspended.

Explanation
People almost unanimously agree that spam is unwanted, whether it be in the form of email, entries on their friends pages, or comments to their journal. Because of this, we believe it is appropriate to prohibit users of the service from posting a large number of unsolicited comments or entries.

( Here's the link to all the other proposed changes as well: http://www.livejournal.com/abuse/policy.bml?proposal=1 )

For the most part I agree with the changes, but this whole idea of unsolicited commenting is really worrying me. Looks like, and I'm not trying to be egotistical here, but that they're ammending their terms of service to directly apply to me, in the situation that happened last month. Remember, where they basically threatened to cancel my journal and gave me a warning and all that with my nefarious behaviour of wishing people happy birthdays, and that I hope their day improved?

They weren't able to delete me then, because their own terms of service had nothing against commenting on others journals. This new proposal? It absolutely does. I know a lot of you had mentioned that you would have issues if I was deleted for something of this nature.. and it looks like they're setting it up for this very purpose now. So if you have issues with this, or some of the other things in the policies, PLEASE make your voice heard, because otherwise things are being done to LJ without your input.. and I feel we all should have our voice. Some of us have permanent, and paid accounts, and even if you don't, LJ is part of your community and part of your life.

Here's what I wrote:

" So, commenting on peoples ournals is considered spam now? Interesting how you're changing your terms of service to make commenting on someone's journal against the rules if it's "unsolicited". I think this is complete bs, and I have over 800 friends on my friends page who would agree, as every single one of them added me because of what you would consider "unsolicited" comments on their journal. I think you're opening a dangerous door here. Are people no longer allowed to talk to people who haven't added them all ready? I think that if someone doesn't want people to comment on their journal outside of their friendslist, then they should have a private journal.

And what about when LJ publishes LJ users entries in the "community" area for people to read and respond too? Doesn't that seem like even more of an invasion of privacy? I often hear about my LJ' friends friends birthdays and always go and wish them a happy birthday, or if I happen upon a journal where someone is having a bad day, I always write some little note of encouragement.. so now you're amending your policy to make that no longer allowed?

If someone doesn't want comments on their entries, they should make them private. Or disable commenting. It seems pretty simple to me. Why would you amend the terms of service in this way? To prevent the building of a livejournal communtiy of people that don't know each other.. to prevent potential friends? I thought that was the whole reason LJ was created? "

And I really think that you should all take a look at everything here, and how it relates to you, and you should make your voices heard too:

http://community.livejournal.com/lj_policy/1696.html

If this policy goes into effect, my journal will either be gone, or completely different then it's always been, because I'll no longer be able to go and comment to new people without running the risk of my journal being deleted. This means there won't be new journallers here, to converse with, and make friends with as I have seen many of you do over the years. It would be really sad to have to change how I operate this journal because of some people who are quick to mark anyone they don't know as spam if they comment to their entry. And you guys know me.. it's not like I'm out there swearing at people, or calling them names or pimping my ebay auctions. I'm just trying to spread some good cheer, because this world really needs it.

Too early to say goodnight, and good luck? *sigh*

Love to all of you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjOLh2s-o3M&e And here... Madonna doing the song Vogue on MTV, for those not interested in the current debacle. :)
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 04:32 am (UTC)
Exactly. And the random journal button? People keep commenting on my entry over there that it's about posting the same thing or something similar. So I guess I'll have to start talking about artichokes, and 70's films or something instead of offering encouragement.
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[User Picture]From: jehannamama
2008-03-08 11:08 pm (UTC)
That is a lot of hogwash!
My best friends on LJ are those who were complete strangers, who came and commented on my journal. Since then, I've even met several of them, sometimes more than once.
And, my dear, you can "spam" me any day! I guess some curmudgeonly grump somewhere isn't wanting to have anyone spreading around words of cheer in his business. Maybe he wants us all to be miserable? Angst makes for better blogging?

Bah! Humbug!

Yes I will be commenting... you can be sure of it.

Thank you for all you do!
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 04:34 am (UTC)
Thanks sweetie. *hugs* I'm not even pissed anymore. Just dejected, and sad about the state of things. They appear to have changed their policy to directly effect me, and it sure sounds reminiscent of the conversations I had in email with them last month. What a dick move.
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[User Picture]From: chibiluv
2008-03-08 11:09 pm (UTC)
Just commented. That's just straight up BS.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 04:36 am (UTC)
Thanks hon. *hugs*
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[User Picture]From: rombino
2008-03-08 11:09 pm (UTC)
and if they are discouraging this contact between strangers, why do they have a "random journal" link to anyone in the system?
They are limiting what even they call the "community" and its not even because the spam is an ad or something, youre a real person responding to these real situations.
gah, i understand your frustration.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 04:36 am (UTC)
It's really upsetting. :(

It seems to be directly related to me because I often post the same or similar words of encouragement. This is apparently a very bad thing. *rolls eyes*
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 04:37 am (UTC)
Exactly! *hugs* It just makes me sad, because now on fear of being suspended/terminated I'm not going to be able to reach out in little ways to people anymore. It just seems unfair, when I know that many people have appreciated those few words from a stranger.
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[User Picture]From: dobrze
2008-03-09 12:09 am (UTC)
Sooooooooooooooooooo stupid! Looks like LJ got some bad advice of their own. If you get a comment you don't want, ignore/delete, move on with your life. Why are people so spazzy? It made my day when you commented to wish me a happy anniversary. Strangers being nice for no goood reason is one of my most favorite things e-var!
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[User Picture]From: esme
2008-03-09 12:25 am (UTC)
If you get a comment you don't want, ignore/delete, move on with your life. Why are people so spazzy?

Probably the same type of people who feel forced to watch 'indecent' material on TV. Ya know? Because, for some reason, changing the channels is SOOOOO hard. /sigh/

I wonder about people at times.
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From: hymn
2008-03-09 12:11 am (UTC)
i think they'll do what they want anyway and won't care about the wants of the people.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 04:39 am (UTC)
You're probably right. I just think it's important to voice dissidence.
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[User Picture]From: esme
2008-03-09 12:24 am (UTC)
Done! I'll likely write more in the post later. Sick brain not functioning well!

I hope this shakes out all right. Much as I've loved being part of LJ, this is bullsh*t. Especially since you are one of the neatest users here! Wankers, the lot of them!

*hugs*
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 04:40 am (UTC)
*hugs!!* Thanks so much sweetie. You rock. I'm just so sad over all this. :(
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[User Picture]From: booniecat
2008-03-09 01:02 am (UTC)
"I think that if someone doesn't want people to comment on their journal outside of their friendslist, then they should have a private journal."

You hit the nail on the head there. That is why we have the options to make our entries "Private" or "Friends Only". If you are posting on the internet...then you are posting on the internet! If that bothers you, go write it in your diary and keep under your bed. >:(
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 04:45 am (UTC)
Thank you!! I notice LJ has not weighed in on it at all. Oy. *sigh*
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[User Picture]From: geminiwench
2008-03-09 01:15 am (UTC)
I think they are trying to encourage people to make use of the "messaging system" they've set up (which sucks) so you can say/read things privately without them being said on a journal where all the world and GOD can read them! **aghast**

Now, of course, the SANE people do one of several things if they are worried about being spammed/flamed on LJ:
Friends Only
Screened Comments
Disable Comments

But, really, look around you... how many LJ users are ACTUALLY sane, thinking, thoughtful people who understand how Teh Internets work? Apparently not the majority, otherwise we wouldn't need regulated by the Overseer if all those people complaining could regulate themselves.
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[User Picture]From: booniecat
2008-03-09 01:48 am (UTC)
omg, could you, like, imagine a LJ of sane, thinking, rational people? That would, like totally suxx0rz.

zomgwtfbbq...like, where would we get all of r e-drama? And, like, having a private journal means you have to click on sum clicky thing. That is like, totally lame. LJ staff should totally monitor my journal, kick out all the people I don't like from the site and ban the journals from people who do not think kitteh's are 10x cuter than puppies!!!1!! LJ should totally like think for me too.

lollersk8s pwn w00t l337.

(Sorry, I am at work, so I have the time to kill.)
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[User Picture]From: sparkly_sparky
2008-03-09 01:35 am (UTC)
YOU GO!! i completely agree with you here. i mean what would be the point? isnt that how you find bew people to add?? its how you found me! i dont want this to happen either, especially if youd be deleted! so ill do what i can!
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 04:48 am (UTC)
Thanks hon. *hugs* I'm pretty sad about it.
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[User Picture]From: unwrittenformat
2008-03-09 02:20 am (UTC)
People are so worried about not offending people now-a-days that they fix it so a small group is convenienced, ignoring the major percentage of the people.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 04:50 am (UTC)
Exactly! That's the whole thing! And how is sending people well wishes f'ng spam in the first place? Since when are unsolicited comments a bad thing? *growls and cries*

Love your icon, by the by.
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[User Picture]From: ladyofshadow
2008-03-09 04:01 am (UTC)
Amen to everything you've said. The policy change is utterly ridiculous.

*huggles you*
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 05:00 am (UTC)
*huggles* Thanks, babe. I really appreciate it. This has all got me really down.
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[User Picture]From: ebourland
2008-03-09 04:30 am (UTC)
Steven Segal? Dang. Does he still have hair? (And teeth?)

Wherever you take your blog I'll follow.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 05:01 am (UTC)
He does, actually. lol. But I don't know if any of them are really his. They have lots of false versions of that now that are pretty convincing. ;)

And aww. *hugs* You're awesome. Thanks babe.
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From: christinaathena
2008-03-09 05:21 am (UTC)
There's an option you can select that allows only people on your f'list to comment. If someone doesn't want random people commenting, they should select that option!

I don't think that would exclude all unsolicited comments. Only those that are "identical or nearly identical" and posted to multiple journals. However, I do agree that that should be written more clearly. For example, there should be a clear time frame involved. 20 identical comments in the span of an hour could, perhaps, be considered spam, depending on the context of the comment, but 20 such comments over the span of a year?
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 05:24 am (UTC)
Well, I certainly comment more then that a year, with things such as "Get well soon" or "I hope tomorrow is a better day for you." that's how I talk. How is that spammy if someone posts about not feeling well, or being depressed? Isn't that just reaching out to a fellow person in need?
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From: truelovechild
2008-03-09 05:47 am (UTC)
Awwww! We love you! My friends page would be so much more boring if you hadn't randomly found my page. I'll stand behind you if the LJ Man tries to rough you up. Don't worry.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 05:53 am (UTC)
Thanks, love. I appreciate it. *huggles*
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[User Picture]From: strangeflavor
2008-03-09 05:59 am (UTC)
What crap. I'm glad you randomly commented on my journal! It made me happy. Agreed, people should just make their journals private if it bugs them. They don't have to make a big deal about it.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 06:01 am (UTC)
I think so too. Thanks hon. *hugs*
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[User Picture]From: jenm
2008-03-09 07:32 am (UTC)
That is soo shitty! I can't believe after that they went and changed the rules. It was fine how it was! ♥ to you. :(
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 05:54 pm (UTC)
Thanks honey. *hugs* Really something, isn't it? *sigh*
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[User Picture]From: voleta
2008-03-09 02:38 pm (UTC)
Hear hear to you!
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 06:00 pm (UTC)
Thanks babe. *hugs*
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[User Picture]From: poop_on_a_stick
2008-03-09 05:37 pm (UTC)
*hugs*

They can't take you from me!!!! I won't allow it.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 06:03 pm (UTC)
*hugs!* Thanks love. You rock. :)
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[User Picture]From: sourbiiteroxxy
2008-03-09 09:38 pm (UTC)
As you saw my entry, I agree with you one-hundred precent. My issue, wasn't exactly focused on the same reason as your issue. I just wasn't to found of how, lj would have the idea of going into someone's ACTUAL LIFE, because someone wrote a "sucidial entry". Now my worrie isn't even based off, the actual topic, it just scares me, that they would do such a thing... What if someone wrote about love, but to the public eye, it is illegal love? Would lj, call up authorities, and get to inncoent lives in a sitaution that shouldn't have started to begin with because there's nothing "ilegal" going on.

Er.. the actual story, is a really long story, that I, as of now, refuse to put on lj anywhere. Just for saftey purposes.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 09:41 pm (UTC)
*nod* Understandably. There's a whole lot of problems with their new policy. From what I can tell it wont' be official until May, but they did ask for our input. I doubt they'll respond to any of it though. *sigh* What a mess. *hugs*
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[User Picture]From: sourbiiteroxxy
2008-03-09 09:41 pm (UTC)
And, to add to my comment. Personally, I'd be sad if you deleted your journal / got deleted.
I, would have a heart attack, if I just lost all that I put into lj over the years... But with what's going on, the debate of deleting my lj PERSONALLY, has come up in my head. As of now though, I would never delete my journal.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-09 09:44 pm (UTC)
I know!! :( I've been having the same sad thoughts, but I try and brush them off as quick as I can. It's all really depressing me.
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[User Picture]From: vfd88
2008-03-10 04:27 am (UTC)
Wow. Just wow. LJ can be a real bitch.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-10 05:24 am (UTC)
Agreed entirely.
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[User Picture]From: trema_slo
2008-03-10 07:12 am (UTC)
Hi Randomposting... I continue to monitor LJ policy and comment on it too. So, a couple of things for your perspective on it...
First, I think "identical or near identical" is important to define better. I know you might need some automation for 800 friends, yet I think you come across as "personal" or personable, and of course you are and you're vey real. Ok here's an example. When I go to a non-friended frien-of-a-friend's LJ, I usually say something like, "Hi, I'm here from (the mutual friend's) LJ, and enjoyed your writing, interest in common, whatever. I'd like to friend you and be friended back. ...and so on. Well, that could be automated but it's personal. No one takes offense to that approach.
No, of course I don't want your GOOD CHEER dampened and policy to change your modus operandi. But very recently I decided to stop using stored comments on eBay feedback for the reason I just felt it would be more personal to customize my notes.
Anyway, you know this is not critical of you, it's just a different way of viewing the situation.
Make any sense?
Supportively,
T.L.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-10 04:54 pm (UTC)
It does make sense I'm just concerned that the best thing I have found for helping people when they're down is something along the lines of "I hope tomorrow is a better day for you." because anything else gets too personal with someone I don't know.. and wishing someone a better day can very rarely be taken wrong, and I just would hate for when I write something, and mean it, for it to be taken as spam. I really hope that it'll be looked at as it is, and not be considered the same as someone trying to advertise their ebay account, you know? Thanks babe. *hugs*
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[User Picture]From: saint_magenta
2008-03-29 03:16 am (UTC)

poppycock! *:)

you come randomly commenting to my journal anytime, sweets.

silly new owners.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2008-03-29 03:26 am (UTC)

Re: poppycock! *:)

Aww, thanks babe! :) I will!
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