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Pyramid Death [Dec. 26th, 2007|12:33 pm]
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http://www.glumbert.com/media/warkilling
The Act of Killing in War. Heads up, it's verbally graphic. Images too. :(

And whaaat? You can copyright the pyramids?
CAIRO (AFP) - In a potential blow to themed resorts from Vegas to Tokyo, Egypt is to pass a law requiring payment of royalties whenever its ancient monuments, from the pyramids to the sphinx, are reproduced.
Zahi Hawass, the charismatic and controversial head of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, told AFP on Tuesday that the move was necessary to pay for the upkeep of the country's thousands of pharaonic sites.
"The new law will completely prohibit the duplication of historic Egyptian monuments which the Supreme Council of Antiquities considers 100-percent copies," he said.
"If the law is passed then it will be applied in all countries of the world so that we can protect our interests," Hawass said.
He said that a ministerial committee had already agreed on the law which should be passed in the next parliamentary session, while insisting the move would not hurt Egyptian artisans.
"It is Egypt's right to be the only copyright owner for these monuments in order to benefit financially so we can restore, preserve and protect Egyptian monuments."
However, the law "does not forbid local or international artists from profiting from drawings and other reproductions of pharaonic and Egyptian monuments from all eras -- as long as they don't make exact copies."
"Artists have the right to be inspired by everything that surrounds them, including monuments," he said.
Asked about the potential impact on the monumental Luxor Hotel in the US gambling capital of Las Vegas, Hawass insisted that particular resort was "not an exact copy of pharaonic monuments despite the fact it's in the shape of a pyramid."
On its website, the luxury hotel describes itself as "the only pyramid shaped building in the world," but Hawass said its interior was entirely different from an ancient Egyptian setting.
Hawass's declarations came after the opposition daily Al-Wafd published an article on Sunday called for the Las Vegas hotel to pay a slice of its lodging and gambling profits to the city of Luxor.
"Thirty-five million tourists visit Las Vegas to see the reproduction of Luxor city while only six million visit the real Egyptian city of Luxor," the paper lamented.
Samir Farag, head of Luxor town council in southern Egypt, home to the legendary Valley of the Kings, said that it would be difficult to prohibit use of pyramid shapes.
"We can't forbid people from using the name of Luxor and copying monuments from (Luxor) city, which is the world's richest city for monuments," he said, adding that "tourists going to Las Vegas doesn't affect our city's business."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071225/lf_afp/egyptantiquitieslaw_071225185820
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[User Picture]From: madbard
2007-12-26 06:53 pm (UTC)
I suspect this is non-news. I believe that under the Berne convention, there is a statuette of limitations for copyright that is under 5000 years or however old the pyramids are.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-26 06:55 pm (UTC)
I was thinking that too! I didn't know what the statute was, but it seems odd to me that it would be possible for these to be copyrighted.

I didn't know if because its Egypt if there were some form of other law that would support it.
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[User Picture]From: madbard
2007-12-26 07:00 pm (UTC)
I'm sure there is, within their own country. But it won't have any jurisdiction overseas unless supported by an international treaty.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-26 07:07 pm (UTC)
Good call. *nod*
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[User Picture]From: funkywombat
2007-12-28 10:23 pm (UTC)
The Berne Convention does not include buildings in its wording. Only 'Literary and Artistic Works'.

P.S It does say the right of copyright pretty much expires after 50 years, however. We all know that the pyramids weren't created in the '50s, so I suppose I'll go back on what I said below, it is pretty safe to say that the pyramids are out of copyright, if you were to consider them an 'artistic work'?

Edited at 2007-12-28 10:26 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: madbard
2007-12-28 10:30 pm (UTC)
Yeah. There are lots of things wrong with this claim. The least of which is that Egypt isn't exactly a hotbed of rights to begin with.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-30 12:30 am (UTC)
Agreed.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-30 12:27 am (UTC)
Interesting!!
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-30 12:28 am (UTC)
Seems like they would be.
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[User Picture]From: theprimrosepath
2007-12-26 07:37 pm (UTC)
Pharaonic is totally my word for the day...



Edited at 2007-12-26 07:38 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-26 07:38 pm (UTC)
It's a good word. :)
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-26 07:40 pm (UTC)
Twice! ;)
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[User Picture]From: forgefashion
2007-12-26 07:46 pm (UTC)
oh my - thats rather crazy, would the money really go to the preservation of the pyramids??
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-26 07:48 pm (UTC)
Probably not. Money like that usually goes to "administrative fees" in my experience. *rolls eyes*
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[User Picture]From: marguerlucy
2007-12-26 07:55 pm (UTC)
i bet there'd be all sorts of random loopholes to that anyway. Like... people dont really reproduce historical sites to exact scale, so you could argue its not really a reproduction. haha. lame.
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[User Picture]From: marguerlucy
2007-12-26 07:56 pm (UTC)
besides, isn't it a wonder of the world? you can't copyright a wonder of the world.

particularly when there are so many peer-to-peer illegal download programs for Historical Sites. Not to mention Carmen San Diego and her band of theives.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-26 09:08 pm (UTC)
LOL! Carmen San Diego! Hardcore! I haven't thought of her in awhile. I want an icon of her!
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[User Picture]From: justray
2007-12-26 08:30 pm (UTC)
I was going to say... an EXACT copy would be rather large and would probably never happen. That's a pretty big structure. Even they are talking a model to scale all the artist has to do is change the size of one brick or shorten one line... and it's no longer 100%.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-26 09:21 pm (UTC)
Wouldn't it be cool if some were built to scale? I think that'd rock. haha.

But you're right. All it takes is one brick. ;)
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-26 09:12 pm (UTC)
LOL, it'd be kinda cool if they were to scale, wouldn't it? ;)

And random loopholes are my favorite.
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[User Picture]From: babyhoneyko
2007-12-26 08:58 pm (UTC)
I wonder how much things ae going to be jacked up in price now that they want to copyright everything. It'll trickle down somehow. I mean think of all the movies filmed at these locations, all the trips to egypt that will cost more, it's crazy. I really do hope a substantial sum actually goes to the preservation of these antiquities! But you're right, most likely they wont. Sad.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-26 09:23 pm (UTC)
Seriously. One thing is that usually they pay a substantial fee to film on location anyway so hopefully that won't change. I wonder though if those that are filmed in a studio with a set that replicates exact artifacts.
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From: myincognito
2007-12-26 09:51 pm (UTC)
hey!

speaking of your icon

did you see The Dark is Rising?

I feel like we talked about it, but i can't remember. I know I've told you to read the books, but i can't remember if you actually saw it. i wonder if its out on dvd yet...is it even out in theatres yet? it should have been, right?

I'M SO BORED AT WORK RANDOM!!! 9 more minutes........
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From: myincognito
2007-12-26 09:52 pm (UTC)
oh damn, i keep replying in my "lj community" name. its Redhead Lizzie :)
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-26 09:58 pm (UTC)
Haha! It's cool. :)
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-26 09:58 pm (UTC)
Not yet. :( I've been trying to find it, but it's no where near me, and hasn't been for weeks. I keep thinking it'll come to the cheap theatre, but no dice so far.

I'm hoping that it'll be on dvd soon, I want to see it so bad!

And aww, I'm sorry you're bored, babe. *hugs* I'm watching the most recent season of 24, because I didn't get to see it when it aired. Man, it's intense!
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[User Picture]From: funkywombat
2007-12-26 11:49 pm (UTC)
IMO, this is a rather facetious law which gives the egyptian govt an assumed power to bring abouts law suits to those they don't like. of course they're not going to sue Luxor Hotel because its shaped like a pyramid. that is just gonna get right up america's arse, and egypt doesn't want that.

now, say iran or iraq or syria were to say, uh, make a pyramid shaped monument, egypt will scream blue-murder.

immature, really.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-26 11:55 pm (UTC)
Madbard mentioned that there seems to be a statute against this based on international laws.. there needs to be a treaty of some sort for there to be anything enforced outside of their own country.
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[User Picture]From: funkywombat
2007-12-27 12:08 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure copyrighting is general is covered by various international treaties, or just by countries cooperating with each other, for example the American music industry prosecuting British or French or German music pirates.

I'm sure the same would occur for a building.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-27 12:09 am (UTC)
For a building thousands of years old? It seems like it would be out of copyright.
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[User Picture]From: funkywombat
2007-12-27 09:01 pm (UTC)
Works such as the Mona Lisa, The Starry Night, or any Picasso or Monet are copyrighted too, and anyone wanting to use them will have to pay huge royalties. What actually makes the pyramids different?
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-27 09:03 pm (UTC)
Interesting. I'm not sure. Madbard spoke about it above.
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[User Picture]From: sczrhands
2007-12-29 02:12 am (UTC)
Also, since the people who made it are dead, who would have the legal rights to the pyramids? Normally things are copyrighted when the artiest are alive. Then the rights are passed down.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-30 12:42 am (UTC)
Another good point!
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[User Picture]From: nicsouv
2007-12-27 06:40 am (UTC)
who r u?
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-27 06:50 am (UTC)
Randomposting. A pleasure to meet you. :)
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[User Picture]From: electrosoundwav
2007-12-27 08:27 am (UTC)
This brings back memories of Dr. Hawass when he used to come on Coast To Coast Am with Art Bell. I really miss Art. George is doing a wonderful job, but as he'll tell you, nobody can come close to Art's style. Name a radio talk show host, and forgetting their subject matter for a minute (politics, sports, whatever) tell me one with the style and class that Art had.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-27 05:45 pm (UTC)
Oh, so you know this cat?
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[User Picture]From: electrosoundwav
2007-12-27 06:46 pm (UTC)
Yeah. He was always talking about the Sphinx and the legends of the pyramids. The one I remember most was the secret room underneath the leg of the Sphinx. Art actually got to visit Egypt and was given a tour of the pyramids by Hawass.

http://guardians.net/hawass/millennium1.htm
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-27 06:55 pm (UTC)
OOH! Thank you! That link is Awesome!!!
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[User Picture]From: amazingadrian
2007-12-27 04:22 pm (UTC)
And then suddenly, a 5,000+ year old monument that just so happens to be a world wonder is not creative commons? Can people even copyright buildings? Egypt is not alone in harboring pyramid structures. There are smaller ancient monuments dotting that whole area, and you have the pyramid-like buildings left by the mayans on the other side of the ocean.

I wonder if they are really afraid of someone making a modern pyramid that will overshadow their Gizah ruins? I kind of doubt that will ever happen, since a direct replica wouldn't be good for much, other than to take up space. I think people would be more inclined to see the real thing in Gizah anyways, while it's still open.

Kind of makes me wonder what the world is coming to, when you have people trying to copyright and cash in on everything. :/
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-27 05:48 pm (UTC)
Yeah. :( I don't think anything will come of it, but I thought it was interesting enough to post.
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[User Picture]From: sczrhands
2007-12-29 02:04 am (UTC)
THe hotel is not the only pyramid shaped building. There is a pyramid shaped funeral home/mausoleum in Davie, Fl.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-30 12:39 am (UTC)
Really? Have any pictures? That's awesome!
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[User Picture]From: sczrhands
2007-12-31 10:24 pm (UTC)
I don't have any pictures. I don't get down that way much.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-12-31 10:43 pm (UTC)
Alas.
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